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Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Fri 27-Apr-18 12:04:52
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So i made the mistake of buying a New Build thinking that it would have Fibre, oh how wrong i was.

Anyway i subsequently inquired with openreach about it last year and found that, the Developer Requested voice only, the Request predated openreach's commitment for Fibre in New Builds by 6 months and the Development is outside of Digital Derbyshire's Intervention area. Other than some advice about Communuty fibre partnerships and that Openreach are always reviewing their plans, and that was that.

When i saw the FIbre First Initiative announced i thought i'd check again as things might have changed. openreach did to their credit go to the developer and offer a Gap Funding deal, which was ignored by the sounds of it. And so i'm left with a Broadly (until a dodgy router caused DLM to kick in) stable 4.5 down ADSL line.

As far as i can see i have Four options left to me:

Hope a WISP or Altnet appears (no Virgin in the immediate surrounding area, the topography makes WISP unlikely as it would need new infrastructure and the area is otherwise well covered by FTTC - same argument would apply to Altnets)

Deal with it and get on with my life

Community fibre partnership ( i did look into it but most of the immediately neighboring properties are rented which doesnt help, it would be nice if i could pay for a survey ala FTTPoD to see what the cost would be £25 - 30k+ would be a struggle 10K is easier to afford, sadly there's no Schools or Businesses nearby and the speeds fast enough to no count for Better Broadband subsidy)

Wait and see what USO brings (doing a CFP, raising money and with the install probably taking place in mid to late 2019 only to Find USO would have led to the same infrastructure being isntalled would be annoying to say the least, the risk is USO says you have satellite or shut up and go away)

What would everyone suggest?

To make thing's more entertaining G.Fast Pods are cropping up all over Shirebrook's surprisingly through FTTC footprint, not that any are live yet.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 28-Apr-18 10:25:38
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If developer has ignored options and still premises for them to sell, then lots of local press about poor situation on estate might make them change their mind particularly if looking at further build in the future, getting councillors on board and anything that will turn up in property searches are what may shame a developer into helping.

The USO might be here in 2020 (given lack of info a early 2020 seems to be slipping away) and even then if to give you USO levels a cabinet was added probably looking at a year to do.

So when considering options if you start now you would two years ahead still.

A FoD order is not currently possible since you don't have a live VDSL2 cabinet and distance is going to be over 1km for that build so in the high end. A cabinet at £25 to 30k is probably the ball park

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Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 30-Apr-18 08:20:21
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That could be worth a shot, it's still in phase 1 of 6 with a couple hundred houses left to build.

I was sort of hoping USO might shape openreach's thinking in the sense of connecting 150 houses now so the few hundred can be done at the time of construction rather than being forced by USO to do more expensive street works, even with nice new chambers and ducting some will need unblocking most likely. Of course the risk with USO is they could turnaround and say that it will have to be satellite...

I wasn't thinking of FoD as such just being able to pay for the survey like the new FoD stage two. just so i would know the cost before trying to get signatures and possibly peoples hopes up.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 30-Apr-18 11:48:00
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If in construction then its private land and Openreach are having to work with a developer i.e. code powers to install things like a VDSL2 cabinet are not in force.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 30-Apr-18 12:09:30
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As the developer still has plenty of houses to sell, they will almost certainly fund a FTTC cabinet if they realise the lack of fast broadband is affecting their sales. Money talks!!

Best way to pressure the developer is to let potential house buyers know of the situation. You could do this by putting up a poster in your front window letting others know what you think of your current speeds or if you' want to be really bold then get one of these to get your message across. The latter might seem a drastic solution but if the developer isn't cooperating with you through normal channels then you may not have any other option...

Good luck! smile

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Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Wed 02-May-18 07:31:04
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The advertising truck might be a bit extreme initially smile , but window signs and a banner on the roundabout as you drive in could work. In fact the cabinet is right in front of the sales office as you drive into site, so something near there might get their attention.

I'm sure i saw something about Faster broadband adding up to £6k in value, i wonder if i can find whoever openreach's relationship manager was taking to and keep the pressure on them.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Wed 02-May-18 07:34:25
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
If in construction then its private land and Openreach are having to work with a developer i.e. code powers to install things like a VDSL2 cabinet are not in force.


ah well so much for that option. Caveat Emptor fully in effect.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Wed 16-May-18 11:25:39
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some good news this time, I have got an initial price back from openreach of £4,600 for a New Cabinet. If its not missing a zero that seems very very low for the normal amount's seen flying about.
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(staff) Wed 16-May-18 12:17:14
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Maybe they have a warehouse full of them that need shifting. Even so given the labour and power costs that seems low, so its time to follow through and see if they will commit and deliver at that price.

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Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Wed 16-May-18 14:39:43
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That's what i've done, just waiting to hear back its actually £46000.

At the quoted price there cant be much of a fibre run to the ag node either i would think
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Thu 17-May-18 12:11:32
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further update, i got an email from openreach yesterday telling me that the developer has agreed to fully co-fund the cabinet upgrade. Happy Days!
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Tue 22-May-18 12:48:30
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Once the developer returns the contract everything should be in place by June 2019, it cant come soon enough! Though part of me would have liked to have the full quote so i can see where the £4600 came from.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 02-Jul-18 08:45:20
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The when and where checker has finally updated to "design", its going to be a long 12 months especially as my ADSL connection has deteriorated. i wonder if a G.Fast pod will be installed at the same time? in my head it makes sense to do it while there's engineers there anyway.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 02-Jul-18 12:33:44
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Of the 80,000+ cabinets have not seen one yet get the G.fast pod installed at the same time as the VDSL2 twin so its a nice dream and no more.

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Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 02-Jul-18 14:19:47
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That what i thought, never mind as i'll be happy with 30MB.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Fri 14-Dec-18 08:12:23
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the cabinet is now in and just waiting to be connected, March seems so far away.
Plus something must have happened during the groundwork's that knocked the REIN source out for a week so i managed to get the speed my line could get rather than half.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 18-Feb-19 08:20:32
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Almost there now, the cabinet is in and down as available on the Openreach website.

FTTPoD shows as an option on the wholesale checker but theres no VDSL speeds listed. any idea what the timescale is for the speeds to appear and ordering to become an option?

The openreach website says "your in a superfast area, but cant order a service at this time" for various properties on the estate.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Feb-19 08:58:40
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FTTPoD shows as an option on the wholesale checker but theres no VDSL speeds listed. any idea what the timescale is for the speeds to appear and ordering to become an option?


This normally happens when a line is connected to a vdsl cabinet but too far (>1500m) to get a useable service. Obviously the distance limitations don't apply to FTTPoD.

If you're 100% sure that the new cabinet is located less than 1500m away from you - cabling distance, not LoS distance - then wait for a couple of weeks for the checker to update. If it still hasn't updated in that time, then it points to a database error (not unheard of) and probably worth pinging Mr S with your details who can prod Openreach/BT to fix this.

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Standard User dect
(member) Mon 18-Feb-19 09:23:59
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theres no VDSL speeds listed
Have you checked some properties nearer to the cabinet on the wholesale checker? if VDSL speeds are showing for those properties but not yours then I would suspect distance is the cause.

[Edit] agree with baby_frogmella it could also be a database error

Edited by dect (Mon 18-Feb-19 09:27:35)

Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 18-Feb-19 13:22:36
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Its more likely to be a database error, the PCP is about a 200m cable run from me and the VDSL twin is right next to it.

Hopefully the REIN problems around here will have less impact on the VDSL, but ill expect the impacted figures rather than the clean figures, whenever the Wholesale checker updates.
Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Mon 18-Feb-19 15:39:26
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Just need a little patience. It will become available in due course
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Mon 18-Feb-19 16:57:39
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I know, just being so close to having FTTC after the last two years is hard. it wasn't so bad when it seemed far off.
Standard User Earlgrey
(newbie) Wed 27-Feb-19 07:28:41
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The Wholesale checker updated last week and the service should go live next Wednesday. 79/20 Mbps is going to be a big jump from 2/1
Standard User burble
(member) Wed 27-Feb-19 09:05:02
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I know, just being so close to having FTTC after the last two years is hard. it wasn't so bad when it seemed far off.

I had resigned myself to 4MB FTTC until USO, then t'other week fibre was laid and taken to the top of our pole, BT must think there's a DoS attack I'm checking so often. smile
Standard User Earlgrey
(learned) Fri 08-Mar-19 13:03:14
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After a slight issue getting connected i'm now live with FTTC at last!
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