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Standard User Snake
(committed) Fri 06-Nov-15 16:07:13
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Leased line to my house IG3 area


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I was wondering, is it possible to get a leased line installed to my house? if so what sort of costs am I looking at to get a 100MB line.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 06-Nov-15 16:17:59
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Hit the 'get a quote' link on here ....

An awful lot of money I'd guess.

Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Fri 06-Nov-15 17:43:24
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In reply to a post by Snake:
I was wondering, is it possible to get a leased line installed to my house? if so what sort of costs am I looking at to get a 100MB line.


You could get am *INSTANT* quote via A&A - choice of BT or Talk Talk tails where available:

http://aa.net.uk/ethernet-quote1.html

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Standard User Snake
(committed) Fri 06-Nov-15 22:18:49
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Re: Leased line to my house IG3 area


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Thanks,

I checked A&A.

Basically it comes down to around 3/4k for installation and anything from £400-£2000 depending on speed.

I don't the upfront costs, but I wasn't expecting the monthly costs for 100mb/100mb to be that expensive. frown

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 07-Nov-15 13:37:20
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It will be expensive if you want guaranteed 100 Mbps access rather than a contended service

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Standard User keith969
(member) Sat 07-Nov-15 14:28:37
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Leased lines aren't cheap. Back in about 2002 I had on installed by Pipex - it was just 256Kb/s in those days, and if IIRC it cost about £9000 a year.

Question is why do you need one? Can you not get FTTx?
Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Nov-15 14:44:54
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In reply to a post by Snake:
I don't the upfront costs, but I wasn't expecting the monthly costs for 100mb/100mb to be that expensive. frown


I know, I've also been wondering lately about the cost for getting Fibre, paying up to £10k (depending on distance required) for this I can tolerate but I can't then tolerate the stupid costs involved monthly.

If I ever make these plans a reality I'm thinking of contacting Openreach or BT Business and seeing if they would be willing to quote me for the cost of putting in the infrastructure for there native FTTP (Not On Demand Silliness) and then subscribing to BT's normal Infinity 4 service.

However I have very small hope any such thing will happen and hope will be held for FTTPoD2 !
Standard User Snake
(committed) Sat 07-Nov-15 15:36:18
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This is exactly why i was thinking a leased line. If I could get something which would have a 1 year contract, I would then have the infrastructure more or less in place for someone to provide me with FTTP.

I currently have FTTC hitting around 60mb(down)/18mb(up) - I am happy to pay the installation costs - just want something more sensible in terms of monthly cost. I don't mind it being contended to some extent 5:1 or 10:1 - I am sure the current FTTC service is higher in terms of contention.

I was hoping Hyperoptic would offer something.

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Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Nov-15 15:55:12
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I think going to private firms such as Hyperopic is the best thing possible.... I don't think Openreach will do anything "realistic" unless they're obligated too.

In our case (having FTTC with 60/18) we're probably better off waiting to see what FTTPoD2 brings.... I know that the installation costs of FTTPoD for me where quite good, considering I'm around 220 metres from NGA by direct pathway route..

My copper paid runs opposite direction and looks to be around 4-500 metres instead.

After looking at my stats earlier, it looks like my connection is starting to get close to losing more bandwidth... I've already lost 4Mb/s on downstream in last 2-3 months and looking earlier I noticed the max obtainable upstream has now gone from 25Mb/s to 21Mb/s in the space of a month....

and the SNR of 9db has now dropped to 6.8db so a few more users and I'll be losing sync on the upstream too!
Standard User Snake
(committed) Sat 07-Nov-15 15:57:27
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I havent called Hyperoptic but I should try smile ill let you know what they say.

i've given up on FTTPoD and FTTPoD2.

You would think they would do trials in London and most of the infrastructure is in place. i.e the ducting/poles etc...

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Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Mon 09-Nov-15 08:49:07
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In reply to a post by Snake:
Thanks,

I checked A&A.

Basically it comes down to around 3/4k for installation and anything from £400-£2000 depending on speed.

I don't the upfront costs, but I wasn't expecting the monthly costs for 100mb/100mb to be that expensive. frown


Indeed - if they weren't expensive we'd all have them smile

That said, I increasingly find that "leased lines" in whatever guise they're presented are expensive and offer decreasing benefits - especially when you consider they don't include any resilience as standard generally.
Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Mon 09-Nov-15 08:51:37
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In reply to a post by Snake:
This is exactly why i was thinking a leased line. If I could get something which would have a 1 year contract, I would then have the infrastructure more or less in place for someone to provide me with FTTP.


Alas you won't. The service your leased line will be provided over is not the same as the one FTTP is offered over, so in that respect you'd be no further forward.

I currently have FTTC hitting around 60mb(down)/18mb(up) - I am happy to pay the installation costs - just want something more sensible in terms of monthly cost. I don't mind it being contended to some extent 5:1 or 10:1 - I am sure the current FTTC service is higher in terms of contention.


A&A Offer a FTTC "Leased Line" type of thign (Ethernet over FTTC) - about £150/month, £500 setup IIRC.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 09-Nov-15 09:38:37
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Things like managed hardware, four hour fix times and other SLA benefits, along with the bandwidth guarantees drive up pricing, particularly as symmetric.

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Standard User gah789
(regular) Mon 09-Nov-15 11:14:55
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Almost all leased line suppliers will write off the cost of the equipment at each end of the line over the length of the contract, which is usually a minimum of 2 years and may be 3 years. Since the equipment may be Cisco or Juniper (for performance and reliability) that may be £1,000+ per year. On top of that they have to budget for transit from the aggregation node to a point of presence + transit and/or peering onwards. That is likely to cost at least £200-250 per month for a 100 Mbps committed capacity unless you are in a very cheap market. And so on.

All of these costs are incurred by ISPs for their backhaul but because they can pool them over many customers sharing capacity the average cost per customer can be brought down to a reasonable level. Exclusive access to committed capacity is always going to be much more expensive than reliance on shared infrastructure.
Standard User Snake
(committed) Wed 11-Nov-15 09:55:12
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So I emailed Hyperoptic, I got a call from the next day, basically they said they can do the install, however the cost per month would be around £400~. Only because it would be effectively a leased line, they cannot provide a contended service to on premise frown

At least they replied quickly and gave me a straight answer smile

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Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 11-Nov-15 10:29:13
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Anymore information on FTTPoD2 and how likely do you think it will be more affordable?
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 11-Nov-15 10:32:05
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Told ya wink

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 11-Nov-15 15:05:14
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At this time no, waiting on open reach price lists etc

The Huntingdon, Gosforth and Swansea trials will be feeding into the costing i.e. time and motion studies to see whether install times are significantly lower when using the connectorised roll-out

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Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Mon 16-Nov-15 09:57:32
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a) Managed Hardware... not actually that big a benefit and often a considerable downside.

b) Four Hour Fix - don't be so sure - the reality is (as someone who deals with this every day) that there are so many circumstances by which the 'n' hour fix agreements don't apply (because almost all breaks have arisen because of something not too straightforward to fix quickly) it isn't as big a deal as it sounds.

c) SLA Benefits - like getting a considerably smaller amount back if it fails than the cost of the disruption, so not actually a benefit to anyone with a modicum of common sense.

d) Bandwidth Guarantees - you can largely mitigate this by other factors.

e) Symmetric bandwidth - given the typical cost for a comparable speed/upload, especially with FTTC around, you'll often find this isn't much of a benefit either - and unless you take reasonably sized lines, you're often worse off in real terms.

Leased Lines (and the various options considered as such) do have a place, but commodity connectivity has largely decreased the primary USP, and with the right people and services in place, you can enjoy better overall service availability and speed without going down the leased line route for considerably less cost.
Standard User bob_cat
(newbie) Mon 16-Nov-15 11:28:37
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Hyperoptic's business model is that they install a gigabit leased line to a building and then the residents subscribe to a the contended line. They normally only install to blocks of flats because that way they can spread the cost and get the return on investment.
Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 16-Nov-15 13:06:52
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Not a model that always seems to come through though... I've read before where people have got people ready to join and been told "nah"

I spoke to another company who does similar to Hyperopic and ahem network running by me, they said even If I got the whole street to agree to move to there service they wouldn't do it.

They said they where only interested in doing it for apartment blocks or London!
Standard User bob_cat
(newbie) Mon 16-Nov-15 14:12:07
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Indeed,

I nearly got them to wire up our office building, which had more than a dozen companies over 11 floors, but the problem was that I couldn't get every company to commit because they all had different contract termination terms on their existing circuits. A real shame because we could have all shared a vastly improved speed.

For the O/P I would suggest doing some link bonding with VDSL, I think A&A do it (at least they did for ADSL), Easynet do it (called Etherstream V) and I seem to recall Gradwell doing it but I can't find it on their website. In theory you might not even need the ISP to be involved if you do your own line bonding, but that gets complex and you need a hosted server as well.
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