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Standard User gah789
(member) Mon 04-Apr-16 12:10:56
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Re: Alternative options for a Hampshire village


[re: Theguru2010] [link to this post]
 
Putting aside semantics what this comes down to is two choices.

A. Put up the £1,000 per property for OR to install a cabinet at the end of the road. You will get FTTC speeds varying from 25 to 80 Mbps depending on distance from the cabinet at an annual cost of £400-500 for phone line, broadband, etc and with a choice of ISP.

B. Put in a 100 Mbps leased line to the property with the best all-round view. Install a wireless repeater on that property (the term "mast" is standard in the wireless business) plus receivers on each house - use 5 GHz AC equipment. A single contract to buy & install the wireless equipment for the repeater and 25 properties should not cost more than £8,000 incl VAT. The leased line will probably involve some installation costs but probably less than £4,000 incl VAT. After that you will have to pay the annual lease fee - market dependent but £7,500 per year incl VAT is a rough guess for a 3 year contract - i.e. £300 per year per property. With this set up everyone could replace their phone line with a VoIP line at £30 per year. For 25 users with a 100 Mbps line you will get a much better user experience with symmetric speeds most of the time. The most recent generation of Ubiquiti or Mimosa equipment will give you 50+ Mbps speeds over wireless without any difficulty at the costs that I have quoted. On the other hand, you will experience peak period congestion if everyone tries to get HD streams at the same time.

Overall, Option B has about half the installation cost of Option A and perhaps 2/3rds of the annual cost. On the other hand, you don't get a choice of ISP and you have to take more responsibility for installing and managing the system. It is a familiar choice between money, convenience and performance.

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Standard User Theguru2010
(newbie) Mon 04-Apr-16 12:17:20
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Re: Alternative options for a Hampshire village


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In reply to a post by gah789:
Putting aside semantics what this comes down to is two choices.

A. Put up the £1,000 per property for OR to install a cabinet at the end of the road. You will get FTTC speeds varying from 25 to 80 Mbps depending on distance from the cabinet at an annual cost of £400-500 for phone line, broadband, etc and with a choice of ISP.

B. Put in a 100 Mbps leased line to the property with the best all-round view. Install a wireless repeater on that property (the term "mast" is standard in the wireless business) plus receivers on each house - use 5 GHz AC equipment. A single contract to buy & install the wireless equipment for the repeater and 25 properties should not cost more than £8,000 incl VAT. The leased line will probably involve some installation costs but probably less than £4,000 incl VAT. After that you will have to pay the annual lease fee - market dependent but £7,500 per year incl VAT is a rough guess for a 3 year contract - i.e. £300 per year per property. With this set up everyone could replace their phone line with a VoIP line at £30 per year. For 25 users with a 100 Mbps line you will get a much better user experience with symmetric speeds most of the time. The most recent generation of Ubiquiti or Mimosa equipment will give you 50+ Mbps speeds over wireless without any difficulty at the costs that I have quoted. On the other hand, you will experience peak period congestion if everyone tries to get HD streams at the same time.

Overall, Option B has about half the setup of cost of Option A and perhaps 2/3rds of the annual cost. On the other hand, you don't get a choice of ISP and you have to take more responsibility for installing and managing the system. It is a familiar choice between money, convenience and performance.


Pretty much sums it up ! however there are still some leased lines available with a free installation & I think you would need to consider a 1GB connection which is then shared as if you had a 100 Mbps each user would only get 4 Mbps (based on 25 users) - if you went for the 1GB option each user would get 40Mbps - if you have a rough postcode I can give some estimated figures

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Standard User gah789
(member) Mon 04-Apr-16 13:13:26
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Re: Alternative options for a Hampshire village


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Yes & no. The lease on a 1 Gbps line is only a few hundred pounds more per year than for a 100 Mpbs line but the transit charges would be much higher. A compromise would be a 1 Gbps bearer with, say, 200 Mbps committed capacity. That would be all up for negotiation.

However, an average 4 Mbps symmetric per user capacity is very generous for this kind of system. Most of us operate with less than 1 Mbps per user. The real problem is that if you go much above 100-200 Mbps you have to buy much more expensive core switches/routers. In addition, the wireless equipment really isn't capable of handling significantly more than 80 Mbps. The manufacturers will claim otherwise but this requires large amounts of clean spectrum which is rarely if ever available in the UK and certainly won't be in Hampshire.

My view is that you should keep the initial costs down but with an option to upgrade at a later date if the usage warrants it and users are willing to pay.


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