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Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Thu 03-Jan-13 15:58:18
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Just ordered Fibre Unlimited


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Ordered it all a few hours ago, paid for 1yr line rental, and have an engineer date of 11/1

I contacted TalkTalk Business beforehand and got the Mac code over the phone then used it to complete the order. I then got a Mac confirmation email from TalkTalk where it says on using my service with terminate immediately.

Does anybody know at what point would PlusNet actually use the Mac code?
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 03-Jan-13 16:09:24
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They won't if you are moving from TT Full LLU.
on using my service with terminate immediately
What is that meant to say?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User Michael_Chare
(committed) Thu 03-Jan-13 21:48:30
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They won't if you are moving from TT Full LLU.
on using my service with terminate immediately
What is that meant to say?
The answer depends on when TT regard the MAC code as being used. This could be the time that the service is transferred from them. - rather than the time that the OP advises Plusnet of the MAC code or when Plusnet requisition the line change from BT.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 03-Jan-13 22:02:32
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An ISP is only notified of the use of a MAC when the associated migration completes. It is not notified when it is submitted by the user to the new ISP, nor when the new ISP passes it to Openreach.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 03-Jan-13 23:38:09
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The answer depends on when TT regard the MAC code as being used.
No, the point is that MACs are not needed or used when migrating from Full LLU. MACs are only pertinent to BT WLR phone lines.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User abhijack
(newbie) Thu 03-Jan-13 23:43:41
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Lucky guy that you got an engineer date within 8 days of your order.

I ordered on 19.12.12 and got engineer date for 7/1/13..Hmmm...
Standard User broadbandjockey
(member) Fri 04-Jan-13 07:33:41
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
An ISP is only notified of the use of a MAC when the associated migration completes. It is not notified when it is submitted by the user to the new ISP, nor when the new ISP passes it to Openreach.


Well, that's interesting. I received my MAC on Dec 20th, I applied on Dec 21st for Fibre broadband, I was quoted earlier this week an 'engineer date' on Jan 21st (though I've questioned why BTO need to visit at all for an FTTC-FTTC migration ?).

Doesn't the MAC expire on Jan 20th ? In which case what will actually happen ?

I know we've had a Christmas break, that's knocked three or four working days out of the equation, but PN do seem to have been painfully slow with my application.

I received a letter on Dec 31st (dated Dec 24th) asking for my MAC, despite giving it at sign up (the sales bloke read it back to me to confirm)

Also, I received an e mail on Dec 21st, confirming half price Broadband for 6 months, yet my DD advance notice, received yesterday, states 19:99/m, i.e full price. I raised a ticket to question what on earth is going on. I've seen no progress at all, on my application for PN's phone service, also applied for on Dec 21st

All in all, I'm rather luke warm about the whole PN experience so far !

Edit 09:08hrs :-

Just received SMS from Plusnet, saying FTTC service should be complete by end on Jan 23rd (three days after the MAC expires ?)

Edited by broadbandjockey (Fri 04-Jan-13 09:08:37)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 04-Jan-13 09:27:37
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The MAC expiry date refers to the date by which it must be submitted to Openreach by the new ISP with a migration order. It's nothing to do with the date the migration takes place, following that. So you could order using it quite happily on Day 29. See this page for more detail.

In any case, as has been said more than once in this thread, a move from Full LLU does not technically need a MAC. Moves from full LLU are also a messy procedure, prone to going wrong down to no fault of the gaining ISP. That's one of the major problems with going there in the first place. But of course, the Full LLU companies don't splash that all over their adverts when persuading you to move to them.

An FTTC to FTTC migration does not need an engineer visit, (except perhaps when joining BT Infinity which is a managed install including connection of the BT Home Hub), but I'd be very surprised if any ISP yet has a relevant field in their ordering system to prevent mention of it in initial communications. Even if told by phone during a telephoned order.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Edited by RobertoS (Fri 04-Jan-13 09:34:02)

Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Fri 04-Jan-13 10:55:12
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Although my current provider is Talk Talk I'm not on their LLU and my speed is of the old ADSL 8mb/1mb BT service. They've been asking me for years if I'd switch to their LLU but I was wary of the possible issues switching back.
Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Fri 04-Jan-13 11:04:08
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In reply to a post by abhijack:
Lucky guy that you got an engineer date within 8 days of your order.

I ordered on 19.12.12 and got engineer date for 7/1/13..Hmmm...


Maybe it's their New Years resolution smile

There was only 1 spot free out of a page of unavailable spots so possibly it was a cancellation
Standard User aquiss
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 04-Jan-13 18:50:14
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
An ISP is only notified of the use of a MAC when the associated migration completes. It is not notified when it is submitted by the user to the new ISP, nor when the new ISP passes it to Openreach.


I disagree. We and other ISPs are made aware within a very short period of time of a MAC being used via an active order. 24 hours later we get a comitted date and finally a completed. Therefore from start to finish an ISP is given 3-4 points of reference to work/trigger processes.

Martin Pitt
Aquiss Limited
http://www.aquiss.net

Unlimited Family Broadband Packages : http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-unlimited.php
(free activation or migration + 2 months free)
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 04-Jan-13 22:08:48
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OOps!

Well, I can't really argue with that Martin smile. Though it's the first I've heard of it in all my time on these forums.

What I am certain of is that not many years ago it was definitely the case that the losing ISP was not always informed that their (ex-)customer's migration had completed. Whether that was because of system failures somewhere in a BT company or the ISP is another matter, but it was very frequent.

It could of course be that some ISPs lied. All my migration completions were known about by the losing ISP before I called them to confirm it.

However, in the context of the TalkTalk statement to the OP that their service would be terminated immediately the MAC was used, some very interesting questions arise. It has to be twaddle, or else illegal. (Quite apart from what I hope we are all right in saying, that to move from MPF to BT Wholesale systems does not require a MAC. But again a muddy pool - because of the interdependence of the PSTN and broadband sides and the possibility on different day moves).

Following on from that though, can you tell me whether I'm right or wrong in thinking you are not told to which ISP the move is to be?

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 04-Jan-13 23:06:02
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What I am certain of is that not many years ago it was definitely the case that the losing ISP was not always informed that their (ex-)customer's migration had completed.
You can't know that for definite. You are not privy to ISPs' machinations. It is more likely that losing ISP ignored, forgot or mislaid the notifications.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Fri 04-Jan-13 23:12:10)

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 04-Jan-13 23:22:15
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You can't know that for definite. You are not privy to ISPs' machinations.
Bigggg longgg chuckle smile.

You can't know that for definite. You are not privy to what sources of information I had at the time.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 04-Jan-13 23:31:56
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I wasn't being definite, I was more judicious; using the phrase "more likely".

It's a matter of probabilities, not certainties grin

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User aquiss
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Jan-13 09:01:35
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
OOps!

Well, I can't really argue with that Martin smile. Though it's the first I've heard of it in all my time on these forums.


Below is a recent copy of someone who left us early this week (excuse any formatting).

You can see an order was placed by the gaining provider, then cancelled (we presume adjusted as they wanted 1st Jan at first) and then changed to 3rd Jan.

You can see all the way through, from the time it was issued to move away, we were kept right in the loop.

This is an example of migration out to a LLU provider. It's seen as a cease. (our XML picks this up it being a Cease L, so no charge applied).


Date Line Item Type Line Item Status Order Status Promised Date Completed Date Access Technology Interleaving Stability Option Downstream Upstream Traffic Weighting Delay Status Delay Reason
03/01/2013 16:19 CEASE COMPLETE COMPLETE 03-Jan-13 03-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard
03/01/2013 15:18 CEASE ISSUED PENDING 03-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard
14/12/2012 03:18 CEASE ISSUED PENDING 03-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard
14/12/2012 00:18 CEASE ISSUED PENDING 03-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard
13/12/2012 02:18 CANCEL OF CEASE CANCELLED CANCELLED 01-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard
11/12/2012 23:18 CEASE ISSUED PENDING 01-Jan-13 ADSL2plus Auto Standard 24Mbit/s UNCAPPED Standard

Martin Pitt
Aquiss Limited
http://www.aquiss.net

Unlimited Family Broadband Packages : http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-unlimited.php
(free activation or migration + 2 months free)
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 05-Jan-13 10:27:47
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Does the same series of notifications appear on a BTW >> BTW broadband migration please? Phone line staying wherever it is at the time.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User aquiss
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:20:44
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Does the same series of notifications appear on a BTW >> BTW broadband migration please? Phone line staying wherever it is at the time.


Yup, exactly the same, just go out as a Migration, rather than a Cease.

It's these status that allow us to deal with billing.

Martin Pitt
Aquiss Limited
http://www.aquiss.net

Unlimited Family Broadband Packages : http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-unlimited.php
(free activation or migration + 2 months free)
Standard User Uilebheist
(legend) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:25:58
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In reply to a post by aquiss:
It's these status that allow us to deal with billing.

Yes, I imagine it helps... yet so many ISPs will not "see" a migration out unless you contact them (in some cases repeatedly). Do I take that they have no excuse for that? tongue
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:38:05
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Thanks Martin smile. Saves me spouting rubbish in the future.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User aquiss
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:39:00
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In reply to a post by Uilebheist:
In reply to a post by aquiss:
It's these status that allow us to deal with billing.

Yes, I imagine it helps... yet so many ISPs will not "see" a migration out unless you contact them (in some cases repeatedly). Do I take that they have no excuse for that? tongue


No excuses whatsoever. The data is provided, just depends how the ISPs use it.

We actually give all the XML output to our customers in our control panels, so they can see orders (in/out), modify orders, delays etc

Martin Pitt
Aquiss Limited
http://www.aquiss.net

Unlimited Family Broadband Packages : http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-unlimited.php
(free activation or migration + 2 months free)
Standard User aquiss
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:40:23
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Thanks Martin smile. Saves me spouting rubbish in the future.

And yet I have no ISP Rep Status...*coughs* tongue

Martin Pitt
Aquiss Limited
http://www.aquiss.net

Unlimited Family Broadband Packages : http://www.aquiss.net/broadband-unlimited.php
(free activation or migration + 2 months free)
Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Sat 05-Jan-13 12:46:15
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I take that they have no excuse for that? tongue

Most (large) ISPs probably don't feed the information from eCo to the systems that first line support see, or indeed any systems that the customer interacts with.

Oliver.
ISP Representative orbrey
(isp) Mon 07-Jan-13 13:59:50
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I believe you just need to drop an email to Seb to request ISP status? I think that's what happened for me (though the email was sent by my Team Leader at the time).

Apologies if you were already aware.

Regards,

Matthew Taylor
Plusnet Customer Support
The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 07-Jan-13 19:06:23
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Don't forget the difference between adding an agent such as yourself to Plusnet's accreditation Matthew, and getting Aquiss ISP accredited.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Wed 09-Jan-13 23:02:09
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The Router arrived today, it's a Technicolor TG582n which going by the feature list would seem to be rather basic.

I guess I'll need to buy a decent router, are there any that are recommended for use with the fibre modem?
Ideally it will handle 2.4 and 5Ghz simultaneously, offer hassle free wireless streaming of upto 3 HD streams ,support 2 PS3's, 2 PC's, 2 x iPads, 2 x printers and our mobiles.

Everything is wireless bar 1 PC and SKY HD via AV500 homeplugs

Edited by The_KELRaTH (Wed 09-Jan-13 23:02:52)

Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:02:24
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Well that went rather better than expected.

Call from Openreach guys that their going to fiddle in box, ISP and phone goes off, 15 mins later there's a knock on door, changed the BT faceplate, fitted new modem to wall, plugged in router and I'm up n running again!

http://speedtest.net/result/2429082319.png
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:04:38
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But normal smile.

Enjoy!

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,website and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet Extra Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 54.0/14.9Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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Standard User Oldjim
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:05:46
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Try this http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006B3BM9I
Standard User abhijack
(learned) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:12:28
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glad that it went well for you.
what was ur speed estimate?
Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:29:19
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glad that it went well for you.
what was ur speed estimate?


24 / 5 so quite close to actual.
Standard User The_KELRaTH
(committed) Fri 11-Jan-13 16:34:18
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Well even the text from Plusnet suggested an Install on Friday but network up on Saturday (I had visions of contacting them on Monday etc) so was a little surprised when the guy said.. check yer PC to see if it's up!

And my pings are much the same as before so it's all great smile
Standard User Zadeks
(experienced) Fri 11-Jan-13 17:01:46
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