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Standard User ukwiz
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 10-Apr-17 09:47:49
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Has relay.plus.net gone AWOL?


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A friend is unable to send emails because relay.plus.net doesn't exist.

Is this a permanent thing, or just temporary?

David

BT (poor) -> Zen (excellent) -> O2 (started well, went downhill -> IDNet (No complaints - but 100GB cap) -> Zen (unlimited-and now ipv6!l)
Standard User wingco1
(legend) Mon 10-Apr-17 10:49:07
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Re: Has relay.plus.net gone AWOL?


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I had a problem on saturday trying to set up a non plusnet email address using relay.plus.net as the smtp. However it worked ok on sunday.

Standard User IanBB
(committed) Mon 10-Apr-17 11:54:30
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Re: Has relay.plus.net gone AWOL?


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It's there now as it responded to pings a few seconds ago.

Edited by IanBB (Mon 10-Apr-17 11:54:55)


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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Tue 11-Apr-17 09:41:44
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Re: Has relay.plus.net gone AWOL?


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In reply to a post by wingco1:
I had a problem on saturday trying to set up a non plusnet email address using relay.plus.net as the smtp. However it worked ok on sunday.


Why not use many of the other more reliable free ones?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 11-Apr-17 09:48:37
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LOL

Taking that literally, rather than the word-resequenced version I think you intended, I expect most people, particularly those who use ISP or free email, find using a single mail host easier than using many. wink

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Standard User 23Prince
(experienced) Tue 11-Apr-17 11:41:28
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But a non plusnet address shouldn't be using them? no?
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 11-Apr-17 11:49:31
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I don't think you read my post carefully enough, or yours that I replied to for that matter smile. Mine was (I hoped) clearly a jokey post.

Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
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Standard User jelv
(knowledge is power) Tue 11-Apr-17 17:43:52
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Re: Has relay.plus.net gone AWOL?


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You haven't explained why you said we should be configuring multiple servers - surely picking one that suits and using that is sufficient?

jelv

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 11-Apr-17 21:37:28
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In reply to a post by jelv:
You haven't explained why you said we should be configuring multiple servers - surely picking one that suits and using that is sufficient?
One reason could be because access to the regular relay.plus.net is blocked by some (foreign) hotels. IME

Michael Chare
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 11-Apr-17 22:13:54
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In reply to a post by jelv:
You haven't explained why you said we should be configuring multiple servers - surely picking one that suits and using that is sufficient?

Always best to use the SMTP that aligns with the email address's domain to increase deliverability. Unless you run your own domain and manage your own SPF and DKIM / DMARC records.

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Standard User wingco1
(legend) Tue 11-Apr-17 22:43:45
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I have some @which.net email addresses. They have recently changed to using SSL for incoming mail. However they don't have a smtp server. Customers are told the use their ISP smtp server.

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 12-Apr-17 21:13:02
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which.net publishes an SPF record that lists IP addresses that are trusted, and states other IPs are neutral.

An SPF record allows a receiving ISP to look at the incoming message and decide if it is trusted based on the domain name of the email and what that domain publishes.

Many ISPs in the USA (e.g. verizon.net) would silently ditch the email from you using which.net and sent from say Plusnet's relay server because the IP of Plusnet's server wasn't listed in the SPF record so you fell into the neutral category.

If it matters to you that your email is 90% likely to make it to the recipient, pick an email service that lets you receive and send through them from anywhere, and ensure your mail has a published SPF record. Even better get DKIM enabled.

The old university idea you could sent from any relay server (on the network you were attached to) is dead ; sadly thanks to spammers. But the filtering happens at the recipient, and even paying customers can't get big ISPs to change their email acceptance policy.

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Standard User longedge
(committed) Wed 12-Apr-17 22:07:15
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I was trying to send email today via relay.plus.net using MSOutlook (Office 2010) on Windows 10. Simply refused to go. I saw this thread yesterday and at first wondered if my problem was related. However I saw that my system had a pending restart and update so I did it manually and that was the problem. Email working again and nothing to do with the server.

Edited by longedge (Wed 12-Apr-17 22:08:22)

Standard User wingco1
(legend) Thu 13-Apr-17 12:07:19
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Thanks for the info. I must admit most of it went over my head. However I understood the gist of what you said. Where would I find smtp servers which would comply?

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 13-Apr-17 23:13:12
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In reply to a post by wingco1:
Thanks for the info. I must admit most of it went over my head. However I understood the gist of what you said. Where would I find smtp servers which would comply?


Generally you have to use an SMTP server from the same company that provides your email address. So if your email address is @which.net and you collect mail using POP or IMAP then which.net should provide an SMTP server. If they don't - change your email address to one that does.

The free webmail services (Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook.com) all provide POP/SMTP servers as well ; as do their paid premium equivalents. Web hosting companies also do the same.

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Standard User wingco1
(legend) Fri 14-Apr-17 14:08:33
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Thanks very much.

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