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Standard User siege2
(committed) Sun 17-Jun-12 11:31:59
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will i get sky fibre .? although same telephone exchange ..


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Hi people my telephone line is connected directly to the telephone exchange other people have getting connected up, me have no indication , I have sky Luu atm currently at 20 meg down and 1.14 up , will I be able to get fibre broadband,.

Kenneth

IDNet

SKY LLU

_____________Downstream____Upstream
Data rate...........23996 .....................796
Noise margin.....5.1 ......................18.4
Attenuation........3.0....................... 3.9
Standard User greenglide
(committed) Sun 17-Jun-12 12:34:06
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Re: will i get sky fibre .? although same telephone exchange


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If your line is genuinely EO then there is no way of getting FTTC at present.

If you are really close to the exchange changing to BE (or similar) could give you the option of ADSL2+ maximum of 24Mb/s down and well over 1Mb/s up.

If you are getting that sort of speed is FTTC borth it? When I was getting 21Mb/s from BE on a line with FTTC available I decided not, since moving house to a different exchange and a large speed drop the answer is YES but it isnt available yet.

Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 17-Jun-12 13:40:01
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Are your speeds in your sig correct? Cuz you are already getting 24 Meg but your upload is low.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC


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Standard User siege2
(committed) Sun 17-Jun-12 14:09:53
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Re: will i get sky fibre .? although same telephone exchange


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ok here is my FTTC check;

Cabinet Probability Uplift Phase Status
N/A 100% Not part of a phase

Type
Directly connected to exchange. FTTC is not supported.

....... also....
Exchange Name Type Availability
NEFN FENCEHOUSES FTTC Now

my stats on profile dont seam to update here are my stats
from my router stats page;


ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 19998 kbps 1146 kbps
Line Attenuation 3.0 dB 4.0 dB
Noise Margin 8.3 dB 8.7 dB

SKY LLU

_____________Downstream____Upstream
Data rate...........19998 ..................... 1146
Noise margin.....8.3 ...................... 8.9
Attenuation........3.0....................... 4.0
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 18-Jun-12 09:30:22
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Upload probably due to the Sky DLM which appears to favour lower upstream speeds

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User greenglide
(committed) Mon 18-Jun-12 09:40:42
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That is why I left SKY - their DLM is dreadful as it (and the customer services "technicians") refused to allow the router / DSLAM to negotiate a proper down / up speed on a rock solid line and I had a large SRN that wasnt being used.

The upload speed in particular seems to be something that they just don't understand as I was told "we have tried to allocate you more upload but the line isnt stable" despite the fact that there hadnt been a resync in this time.

I suspect they deliberately underuse the line to minimise support calls over unstable connections.

Ex <n>ildram , been to SKY MAX - 15,225 Download
BE Unlimited - 21,000 Download 1,200 Upload ON THE LINE THAT SKY COULD ONLY PROVIDE 15,255 DOWN AND 800 UP ON!!!,
Moved house, now BE Unlimited 6,500 Down, 1Mb/s up - gutted!
FTTC Cab installation commenced 12th April - expect full 80 / 20 - bye bye BE, hello BT Infinity soon!
Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Jun-12 11:23:02
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Yeah, Sky's line profiles are a shame. I think they profile the default upload speeds under 800 kbps these days, even if noise margin is in double figures. They can increase it to around 1,150 kbps after a bit of a fight, but it depends who you speak to I suppose.

Oliver.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 18-Jun-12 11:36:57
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"I suspect they deliberately underuse the line to minimise support calls over unstable connections"

Bingo - generally that is the whole point of DLM. Since ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ will if left alone always sync at the fastest possible speeds.

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User Oliver341
(knowledge is power) Mon 18-Jun-12 11:46:12
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Bingo - generally that is the whole point of DLM. Since ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+ will if left alone always sync at the fastest possible speeds.

But there can only be a very small minority of customers who cannot hold a 7db target margin, so really their DLM/profiles are causing more problems than they solve, by affecting the vast majority of customers who can hold a 7db margin.

Oliver.
Standard User siege2
(committed) Mon 18-Jun-12 12:13:43
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Hi MrSaffron

regarding my current status off connection directly to my telephone exchange, distance off 80 metres ish. would you's think I have a chance off getting fibre to my house, Note I am not connected to any street cabinet based on my previous post.

Kenneth

I have also posted in the www.sky.co.uk forum going to post into the skyuser one as well asap.

thanks people.

SKY LLU

_____________Downstream____Upstream
Data rate...........19998 ..................... 1146
Noise margin.....8.3 ...................... 8.9
Attenuation........3.0....................... 4.0
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