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Standard User barker04
(learned) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:05:54
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Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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The exchange I am on doesnt have Adsl 2 but has Sky LLU.

Can anyone confirm if I would get adsl 2 speeds and if so what the max upload is ?

I ask as according to some line checkers, talktalk who are also at the exchange can provide up to 1.2mb up.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:18:54
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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Sky LLU is their own hardware which offers ADSL2+ so yes ADSL2+ speeds would be available.

To give a fair idea what are the current stats from your ADSL router? Generally a more accurate guide than the telephone line checker databases

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User barker04
(learned) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:21:12
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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Downstream: 7.5 Mbps
Upstream: 448 Kbps

Noise margin (Down/Up): 6.9 dB / 26.0 dB
Line attenuation (Down/Up): 35.5 dB / 22.5 dB
Output power (Down/Up): 19.9 dBm / 12.0 dBm

Edited by barker04 (Tue 16-Oct-12 21:24:33)


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Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:26:18
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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Any LLU invariably runs on ADSL2+ these days. Upstream is usually 1.1 - 1.2 Megs (some BTw based systems only give 888 K on Interleaved, but that's not Sky) unless you have a very fast line and can sacrifice some downstream to get an upstream of about 2.5 Meg with ADSL2+ Annex M. I don't know if Sky offers Annex M.

The fact that your exchange is not 21CN WBC enabled is irrelevant to LLU; it is only available on BTw based ISPs.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:28:36
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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Very rare to see over 1Meg on Sky LLU ADSL2+ they tend to be conservative with upstream speeds

They do not do Annex M at all

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User barker04
(learned) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:29:31
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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in which case (despite p2p throttling) is talktalk likely to give me higher speeds as I can get the db reduced if my line is stable?
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:29:58
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You'd get 11 - 12 Meg Down on ADSL2+, but Annex M is pointless for you.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-Oct-12 21:31:27
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10 to 13 Meg downstream connection speed
800 to 900 Kbps upstream

Sky start their systems at 4Meg and then slowly increase your speed over a few days to what they believe is the maximum, which is usually a little slower than the absolute maximum, but should be stable

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 16-Oct-12 22:07:19
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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Usually can get the line manually tweaked down with Sky. With Sky its a 15 minute phone call and they do it there and then (I know have done it twice) and with TalkTalk you just use their Member Forums.

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User pcoventry76
(knowledge is power) Thu 18-Oct-12 15:26:12
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Re: Sky LLU Adsl 2?


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In reply to a post by barker04:
The exchange I am on doesnt have Adsl 2 but has Sky LLU.

Can anyone confirm if I would get adsl 2 speeds and if so what the max upload is ?

I ask as according to some line checkers, talktalk who are also at the exchange can provide up to 1.2mb up.


I had it for a long time ( 2 years) at 7mbps down 0.6 up. It was fine for me. and at £5 a month a bargain!

I've cut mine off for a year because I have a new mobile contract with tethering and the allowance is fine for me. It's als0 12mbps down and I get 5mbps up which is a vast improvement.

However - when my exchange is due to go onto FTTC ( by end of 2013) I will be back to Sky again for their 80/20 (assuming I can get it - I have 2 cabs within 50 meters of my house) because their service is fab. I just don't need a phone line right now so I've cut if ott ( and my 300GB a month is amply covered by my mobile contract)
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