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Standard User stephen79
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 08-Dec-15 20:35:18
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Fibre - Traffic Management?


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From what I can see, Sky Fiber is advertised as free of traffic management...

"Our Fibre broadband product is not subject to any traffic management, this means that we won’t slow you down at any time regardless of how much you upload or download. Sky Fibre is subject to Usage Management."


However, if I run an Acestream (uses p2p technology) then there is buffering and the picture cuts out. But, if I use a VPN (currently using tunnelbear) then it is perfect.

Anyone else experienced similar?

SKY 40/10

Edited by stephen79 (Tue 08-Dec-15 20:35:55)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 08-Dec-15 21:03:24
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


[re: stephen79] [link to this post]
 
Could be as simple as different routing from Sky than from your VPN provider.

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Standard User JonDav
(experienced) Mon 14-Dec-15 10:59:00
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


[re: stephen79] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by stephen79:
I use a VPN (currently using tunnelbear) then it is perfect.
If you are using a paid for option on TunnelBear, I trust you paid them in honey instead of cash?

TunnelBear accepts Honey as payment.

Edited by JonDav (Mon 14-Dec-15 10:59:32)


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Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Thu 04-Aug-16 22:44:51
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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It won't be due to traffic management as sky don't have any.

Must just be that the VPN has better routing in this case.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 05-Aug-16 13:29:35
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
Must just be that the VPN has better routing in this case.

Yes, I've seen issues with Facebook at my mate's house (Sky ADSL) where the mobile app on my phone won't update, but if I use any VPN it does. Odd routing is all I could put it down to.

plusnet unlimited fibre 80/20 since 2 Jun 14 / Sync 6th Nov: 58,280/10,784 kbps with G.INP
16 years UK broadband (Since 1999 ntl:cable trial), Asus RT-AC68U & HG612 - BQM - Flash Speedtest - HTML Speedtest
Standard User professor973
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 05-Aug-16 18:19:43
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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I get high latency with facebook whoever the ISP. Due to Facebook routing through the US. Use Tunnelbear but not checked via that route.
https://postimg.org/image/fhq7q0ykb/

Edited by professor973 (Fri 05-Aug-16 18:20:46)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 05-Aug-16 18:51:55
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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I guess facebook haven't got a UK or Europe data centre, unlike Google. Most of their stuff is rapid especially on mobile, and I can update on a 2G signal (vodafone or EE) or 3G (Vodafone or EE) easily, and on EE 4G its fast - but on my mate's sky ADSL its very slow. My Plusnet VDSL is fine.

C:\>tracert facebook.com

Tracing route to facebook.com [69.171.230.68]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  my-router
  2    11 ms    12 ms    11 ms  lo0-central10.pcl-ag02.plus.net [195.166.128.183]
  3    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  link-b-central10.pcl-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.166]
  4    11 ms    11 ms    16 ms  xe-10-1-0.pcl-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.198]
  5    18 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ae2.pcl-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.6]
  6    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ae1.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.0]
  7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  8    86 ms    86 ms    97 ms  ae1.bb02.lhr2.tfbnw.net [31.13.30.198]
  9    86 ms    86 ms    97 ms  ae30.bb04.iad3.tfbnw.net [31.13.31.146]
 10   155 ms   155 ms   154 ms  be12.bb02.prn2.tfbnw.net [31.13.26.151]
 11   223 ms   153 ms   153 ms  ae42.dr06.prn2.tfbnw.net [31.13.27.163]
 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 16   152 ms   152 ms   152 ms  edge-star-mini-shv-17-prn1.facebook.com [69.171.230.68]

Trace complete.

Edited by jchamier (Fri 05-Aug-16 18:54:44)

Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Fri 05-Aug-16 19:26:57
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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Haven't been on sky for a year or so, but it used to be pretty rapid to update Facebook. Never had any issues in the 5+ years I was with sky. I cannot comment on today, as I do not have a sky connection in my home now.

It could be a lot of things, perhaps even their router being problematic / old / poorly configured.
Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 01:41:09
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


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In reply to a post by jchamier:
I guess facebook haven't got a UK or Europe data centre, unlike Google.

They do (from Sky ADSL, Facebook's IP here is Irish):


C:\>tracert www.facebook.com

Tracing route to star-mini.c10r.facebook.com [2a03:2880:f11a:83:face:b00c:0:25de]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  2a02:c7d:xxxx:xxxx::1
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  5    31 ms    32 ms    31 ms  po104.psw01d.lhr3.tfbnw.net [2620:0:1cff:dead:bef0::bd]
  6    28 ms    28 ms    28 ms  po4.msw1at.01.lhr3.tfbnw.net [2a03:2880:f01a:ffff::c3]
  7    27 ms    28 ms    27 ms  edge-star-mini6-shv-01-lhr3.facebook.com [2a03:2880:f11a:83:face:b00c:0:25de]

Trace complete.


Oliver.

Edited by Oliver341 (Sat 06-Aug-16 01:44:45)

Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 10:16:38
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Your IPv6 is working! More seriously it seems www.facebook.com is local and facebook.com is in the US - maybe without the WWW's you get the USA and it redirects back in the browser.

C:\>tracert www.facebook.com

Tracing route to star-mini.c10r.facebook.com [31.13.90.36]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  my-router
  2    12 ms    11 ms    12 ms  lo0-central10.pcl-ag02.plus.net [195.166.128.183]
  3    15 ms    11 ms    12 ms  link-b-central10.pcl-gw02.plus.net [212.159.2.166]
  4    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  xe-10-1-0.pcl-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.198]
  5    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ae1.ptw-cr02.plus.net [195.166.129.2]
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7    11 ms    11 ms    12 ms  po102.psw01c.lhr3.tfbnw.net [74.119.79.107]
  8    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  173.252.67.149
  9    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  edge-star-mini-shv-01-lhr3.facebook.com [31.13.90.36]

Trace complete.


But my original comments were about iOS and Android apps and I have no idea what site they access, I haven't bothered to investigate. On my mate's Sky ADSL the apps are always slow to refresh and often don't load pictures/video. The website on a laptop works fine.

plusnet unlimited fibre 80/20 since 2 Jun 14 / Sync 6th Nov: 58,280/10,784 kbps with G.INP
16 years UK broadband (Since 1999 ntl:cable trial), Asus RT-AC68U & HG612 - BQM - Flash Speedtest - HTML Speedtest

Edited by jchamier (Sat 06-Aug-16 10:21:50)

Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 11:56:55
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Re: Fibre - Traffic Management?


[re: jchamier] [link to this post]
 
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Your IPv6 is working!

Yep! The vast majority Sky users have IPv6 now, indeed I thought every Sky user with an IPv6 router has one now.

In reply to a post by jchamier:
More seriously it seems www.facebook.com is local and facebook.com is in the US - maybe without the WWW's you get the USA and it redirects back in the browser.

Yeah, the Facebook non-www redirects to www so the latency/location of non-www isn't really a factor in site performance.

Oliver.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 17:50:49
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[re: Oliver341] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Oliver341:
Yep! The vast majority Sky users have IPv6 now, indeed I thought every Sky user with an IPv6 router has one now.


I've not looked at my mates setup for a while. He has the old flat silver box router on ADSL, about 2011 vintage?

Yeah, the Facebook non-www redirects to www so the latency/location of non-www isn't really a factor in site performance.


professor973 needs to try the traceroute again then.

plusnet unlimited fibre 80/20 since 2 Jun 14 / Sync 6th Nov: 58,280/10,784 kbps with G.INP
16 years UK broadband (Since 1999 ntl:cable trial), Asus RT-AC68U & HG612 - BQM - Flash Speedtest - HTML Speedtest
Standard User Oliver341
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 22:31:03
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He has the old flat silver box router on ADSL, about 2011 vintage?

Might be the 2504N in which case it should be enabled.

Oliver.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 06-Aug-16 22:32:59
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Thanks.

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