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Standard User flippery
(experienced) Sun 09-Jul-17 08:56:57
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Potential ADSL2 User


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What is the reliability from a users perspective.Ignoring the support side.
Is 9db SRN the norm?
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Sun 09-Jul-17 17:47:37
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I don't have a clue if these will be of use but here are my router stats -

Here is my speed test result.

Don't worry too much about customer support i have been with TT many years and the only time i ever used CS they were spot on and got my problem sorted quickly.

Edit to add - i am not a TT fanboy before someone says it. wink



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Edited by Chippy_Tea_ (Sun 09-Jul-17 17:51:55)

Standard User woodmass14
(member) Sun 09-Jul-17 18:30:26
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And my own stats should it interest you also.

https://postimg.org/image/ej777io05/

It all depends on the stability of your line. Sometimes a higher SNR is necessary to keep the connection stable. Multiple disconnects can raise snr and/or a fault on your line.

If you have a router that allows you to change SNR values, i'd recommend tinkering around to see what the line is capable of. I can get away with 3db but i do get a few more errors so stick with the 6.

But to answer your question, its a different case for everyone. I'm on a reasonably long line and don't really have issues with 6db but according to an engineer my line is great. Would i call 9db "normal" i'm not sure about that.

I'm sure you know all that though being "experienced" smile


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Standard User flippery
(experienced) Sun 09-Jul-17 20:28:18
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Thanks for the information. It also answers whether another router can be used instead of one supplied.
Always willing to learn and some good information in your post.
Looks like worth a punt, With fixed price contract.
9db was being bandied around elsewhere as being minimum setting with TT

Edited by flippery (Sun 09-Jul-17 20:50:51)

Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Sun 09-Jul-17 20:35:02
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I have this router and it is better than the one i had before especially the Wi-Fi signal (used to be a bit iffy in the back bedroom furthest from the router)

https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/super-router

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Edited by Chippy_Tea_ (Sun 09-Jul-17 20:35:54)

Standard User bobble_bob
(knowledge is power) Sun 09-Jul-17 20:41:33
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9db is the default noise margin

If you want to be with TT but have better customer service have you looked at Pulse8? Im with them. Its essentially a TT line but higher priority over regular TT customers. Pulse8 handle support and are great. Also they can tinker with noise margin for you, as i believe this isnt possible now with Talk Talk directly
Standard User woodmass14
(member) Sun 09-Jul-17 20:44:33
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You're welcome. Glad i could help somewhat.

Though that depends on your isp, some isps would like you to use the router they provide and give you a hard time about it but there are ways to extract the info you need should they fail to provide. Not sure if that can be discussed here though smile

Ah ok, its the first im hearing of that. Then again, TT are not in my area so i tend to look past anything regarding them.
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Sun 09-Jul-17 20:59:26
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In reply to a post by woodmass14:
Though that depends on your isp, some isps would like you to use the router they provide and give you a hard time about it


I have seen this discussed so assume they still prefer you to use theirs.

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Standard User woodmass14
(member) Sun 09-Jul-17 21:06:30
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Yeah i figured they would. That may just be for their fibre services? Either way it's still quite easy to extract the info you need with a quick google search.

I had the exact same problem with sky. They didn't give the info i needed so had to get it myself. Probably wise to read their ToS first though.

Michael.
Standard User 23Prince
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 10-Jul-17 09:44:57
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[re: Chippy_Tea_] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:
I don't have a clue if these will be of use but here are my router stats -

Here is my speed test result.

Don't worry too much about customer support i have been with TT many years and the only time i ever used CS they were spot on and got my problem sorted quickly.

Edit to add - i am not a TT fanboy before someone says it. wink



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Sorry but 11mbps throughput on a synch of 18mbps is TERRIBLE!

You can do so much better!
Standard User AdrianPH
(committed) Mon 10-Jul-17 12:46:44
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Where does it say he has a synch of 18mbps?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 10-Jul-17 13:12:49
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Where does it say he has a synch of 18mbps?


Read the first line of Chippy_tea's post wink

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Standard User AdrianPH
(committed) Mon 10-Jul-17 13:26:38
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Ah yes, the noisy interleaved line (depth64) so speed is not bad considering .
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Mon 10-Jul-17 19:39:28
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In reply to a post by 23Prince:
In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:
I don't have a clue if these will be of use but here are my router stats -

Here is my speed test result.

Don't worry too much about customer support i have been with TT many years and the only time i ever used CS they were spot on and got my problem sorted quickly.

Edit to add - i am not a TT fanboy before someone says it. wink



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Sorry but 11mbps throughput on a synch of 18mbps is TERRIBLE!

You can do so much better!



11 its fast enough for what i use it for so i am more than happy if it was 2 i would be moaning..

I have a car that will do 120 but i drive it at 70 on the motorway wink

Edited by Chippy_Tea_ (Mon 10-Jul-17 19:42:22)

Standard User 23Prince
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 17-Jul-17 19:47:25
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I agree with you. I had 12 for years and did just fine.

I can get 11 where I am now
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Mon 17-Jul-17 20:06:01
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I was considering getting fibre but was advised as far as page loading speeds go i would not notice the difference so i haven't bothered.

Standard User 23Prince
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 19-Jul-17 08:05:57
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I was considering getting fibre but was advised as far as page loading speeds go i would not notice the difference so i haven't bothered.


Thats true.

I have added TTB ADSL to my account as a backup.- and using the same PC I find the same on TTB Fibre as I do on the ADSL.

ADSL on wireless, FTTC on Ethernet.
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Wed 19-Jul-17 16:07:47
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In reply to a post by 23Prince:
In reply to a post by Chippy_Tea_:
I was considering getting fibre but was advised as far as page loading speeds go i would not notice the difference so i haven't bothered.


Thats true.

I have added TTB ADSL to my account as a backup.- and using the same PC I find the same on TTB Fibre as I do on the ADSL.

ADSL on wireless, FTTC on Ethernet.



Thanks for the heads up glad i have saved some money and disappointment.

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Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Wed 19-Jul-17 16:30:05
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It's only worth it for larger families, e.g. in a family of 5 if one of the kids was doing facetime for 2 hours you'd really feel that slowdown as it maxed out your 1mbps upload.

Hence 10Mbps and 20Mbps upload can alleviate a lot of that. TalkTalk is only 2Mbps upload which is quite useless in my view.

Otherwise, things like 4K Netflix need around 15Mbps so if you had a 4K TV you might find the upgrade worthwhile to get that experience.

My old house I lived with a girl in media and she was uploading 10Gb videos, hence we needed the fastest fibre to keep the downstream usable.
Standard User Chippy_Tea_
(regular) Thu 20-Jul-17 19:08:23
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Thanks, we don't do Netflix and probably never will and my Foxsat freesat box is will be providing the picture until it dies so no 4K for me, looks like i will be sticking with what i have got for the foreseeable future.

Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Thu 20-Jul-17 19:40:09
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Great, just bear in mind some of the talktalk offers have actually made fibre cheaper than ADSL in the past so keep an eye out for those deals smile

They had fibre for £17.70 around a year ago, whilst ADSL2+ was £22.50.
Standard User craski
(member) Thu 20-Jul-17 19:53:50
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I had a Talk Talk retail ADSL2 line a few years ago and it was possible to register on their forums and request assistance from of their OCE's (Online Community Experts? or something to that effect) to reduce the SNRM setting on your line.

You can also as others have suggested use a modem/router to tweak that too. I did that using a Billion 8800NL which allows you to set a permanent tweak on the SNRM that survived reboots.

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Standard User trolleybus
(experienced) Wed 06-Sep-17 23:26:15
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Sorry, hijacking this thread with a simple question. Using TTB ADSL2+ with a Draytek 2830 router. I am connected OK and all seems to be fine but I would like to determine the value of MTU that I should be using. Can anyone supply this please?

From the router.
ADSL Status:
Mode State Up Speed Down Speed SNR Margin Loop Att.
ADSL2+(G.992.5) SHOWTIME 1019681 7165052 6 40

Firmware: 3.6.8.6_sb_232201

TB Speed test responds with 6Mbps Down and 0.7Mbps Up

Would changing the MTU value make any difference to these speeds?
Currently 1442 wth a max of 1492
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 06-Sep-17 23:38:22
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TTB use MTU of 1492.

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