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Standard User sjr
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Oct-17 14:48:10
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Recommend me a router


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I've moved on to an exchange where TalkTalk is the only ADSL2+ provider and I'm getting a reasonable 17Mb connection but to get that I need to use the old Plusnet branded Technicolor TG582n router. If I use the TalkTalk supplied router that goes down to 14Mb. I'd like a non-ISP branded router so that all the functionality is opened up but obviously I know that the line is capaple of 17Mb and I don't want to lose any of that. Any suggestions for a suitable replacement would be welcomed.

Stats from Plusnet router

DSL Type: ITU-T G.992.5
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1.019 / 17.213
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [GB/GB]: 1,63 / 1,99
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,7 / 0,0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 16,1 / 32,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 10,5 / 4,1
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 02-Oct-17 20:16:30
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Re: Recommend me a router


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What does the downstream SNR look like on the TT router ?

Iím thinking stability is going to be dubious using the Plusnet one if the TT one shows 6db.

Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-Oct-17 21:17:11
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Re: Recommend me a router


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In reply to a post by sjr:
I'd like a non-ISP branded router so that all the functionality is opened up but obviously I know that the line is capaple of 17Mb and I don't want to lose any of that. Any suggestions for a suitable replacement would be welcomed.


See if you can get hold of a Billion Bipac 7800N - probably has all the functionality that you require and, from personal experience, works great on a ADSL2+ TTB line and is ultra reliable. If you do get one check that it has the latest firmware installed, if not the update is very easy to do.

Good luck smile


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Standard User sjr
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 11:54:51
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Re: Recommend me a router


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I'll get the stats from the TT router later but the connection is pretty stable at 17Mb with the Plusnet router. I've fitted an ADSLNation filtered faceplate to the master socket so that probably helps.
Standard User sjr
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 13:34:01
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I'm finding the Billion BiPAC 8800NL R2 for under £60 on a few sites. Is that as good as or better than the 7800N or is it a case of newer not always being better?
Standard User 23Prince
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 03-Oct-17 16:38:02
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I'm finding the Billion BiPAC 8800NL R2 for under £60 on a few sites. Is that as good as or better than the 7800N or is it a case of newer not always being better?


+2 for that - although I always did like (and still have) the R1
Standard User sjr
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 17:27:19
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TT router stats

Upstream line rate (kbit/s): 1019
Downstream line rate (kbit/s): 14469
Upstream noise safety coefficient (dB): 11.2
Downstream noise safety coefficient (dB): 3.1
Upstream interleave depth: 8
Downstream interleave depth: 64
Line standard: ADSL2+
Upstream line attenuation (dB): 16.8
Downstream line attenuation (dB): 28.3
Upstream output power (dBm): 11.9
Downstream output power (dBm): 17.3
Channel type: Interleaved
Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 18:33:38
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Interesting how the routers show differing ADSL2+ downstream attenuations, additionally the TT router is showing interleave depths but the Plusnet router is not.

Is it possible with either router to see the error rates also?
Standard User sjr
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 19:09:11
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I haven't done much with the connection since I plugged the Plusnet router back in but here's the full stats. Connecting a wee bit faster now smile Re interleaving, that's a property of the line rather than the router is it not?

DSL Type: ITU-T G.992.5
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 1.019 / 17.826
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]: 1,19 / 2,89
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 12,8 / 0,0
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 16,1 / 31,5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 11,4 / 3,1
System Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / ----
Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote): BDCM / IFTN
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): -
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 7 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 30.288
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 9
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 270

Edited by sjr (Tue 03-Oct-17 19:12:36)

Standard User 4M2
(knowledge is power) Tue 03-Oct-17 20:23:49
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Re interleaving, that's a property of the line rather than the router is it not?


Yes that is correct - the router is just displaying the interleave depth and obviously interleaving has been applied to the line (or in other instances Fastpath, i.e. no interleaving.) The FEC errors that you have now posted from the Plusnet router also indicate interleaving.

Perhaps others can comment, but a TT ADSL target SNRM of 3dB on the downstream is now possible?

Keep an eye on the Error Seconds and CRC Errors (sometimes those errors rates can be relatively high during a reconnection but the rates can be much lower afterwards.) Also keep an eye on the downstream SNRM [SN Margin (....Down)] for significant fluctuations.
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