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Standard User konrado5
(learned) Tue 04-Feb-14 16:57:16
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Interferences only at first minutes of connection?


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What can be cause low SNR margin for upstream only at few first minutes of connection? Is it erronously measured SNR margin? It happens since my ISP changed DSLAM. To avoid misunderstanding, I have in mind SNR margin about 3 dB lower than normal on upstream during first minutes of connection. It seems I have some interferences only during some first minutes of new synchronization. Sometimes my router reports for a one second strange upstream SNR margin: 96.2 dB. At one connection SNR margin jumped around: 0 dB and 102.9 dB and I became disconnected after 20 minutes.

However except first minutes of connection, my upstream is very stable. I had at some time above 10 days period with 0 CRC errors. My SNR margin is continously 5.7-6.3 dB from 20 days. However at first three minutes it was: 3.7 dB.

I will be grateful if someone explain me this crux. Is it any line fault?

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konrado5

Edited by konrado5 (Tue 04-Feb-14 16:58:29)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 04-Feb-14 20:52:10
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Sometimes my router reports for a one second strange upstream SNR margin: 96.2 dB. At one connection SNR margin jumped around: 0 dB and 102.9 dB
Your router is faulty, at least as far as its display of stats is concerned, and therefore cannot be relied on for the type of analysis you are attempting.

You sure it is not reporting in units of 0.1db? Some do, you know?

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Standard User konrado5
(learned) Tue 04-Feb-14 21:01:03
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]Your router is faulty, at least as far as its display of stats is concerned, and therefore cannot be relied on for the type of analysis you are attempting.

My router reports it since my ISP changed DSLAM.
You sure it is not reporting in units of 0.1db? Some do, you know?

My router reports SNR margin properly in 0.1 dB accurracy except from first minutes of new connection for upstream.


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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 04-Feb-14 21:34:51
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Still wrong figures. Maybe the router has a bug that only shows up with that specific dslam config

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Standard User konrado5
(learned) Tue 04-Feb-14 21:42:28
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Still wrong figures. Maybe the router has a bug that only shows up with that specific dslam config

And only during first five minutes of connection? Morever, it takes place usually but not always. At the first minutes of connection there are many more bitswaps reported by router and more errored seconds (only on upstream).

Edited by konrado5 (Tue 04-Feb-14 21:44:31)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 04-Feb-14 22:23:03
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My router reports SNR margin properly in 0.1 dB accuracy
I never said 'accuracy', I said 'units'! Do you understand the difference? You should do if you are to attempt this mathematical analysis.

Most routers report in 1 dB units, which is the same as 0.1 B(el) units, usually to an accuracy of 0.1 dB, e.g 'Noise Margin (dB): 6.3'.

A few reuters report in 0.1 dB units, probably to an accuracy of 0.01 dB, e.g 'Noise Margin (0.1 dB): 63.5'.

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Standard User konrado5
(learned) Tue 04-Feb-14 22:33:08
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My router reports in 1 dB units.

Edited by konrado5 (Tue 04-Feb-14 22:33:24)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 04-Feb-14 23:06:20
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So maybe the code bitswaps for a while and then settles done.

You the router microcode to know for sure what is happening.

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Standard User konrado5
(learned) Tue 04-Feb-14 23:19:36
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So maybe the code bitswaps for a while and then settles done.

You the router microcode to know for sure what is happening.

Thank you for reply but I don't understand. Does bitswap activity causes lowered SNR margin measurements?

Best regards
konrado5
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Tue 04-Feb-14 23:43:20
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More often called centiBels !


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