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Standard User IamFibremad
(newbie) Fri 05-Oct-18 07:57:50
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Possible Dead Ports on TP-Link W9980 Router?


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Hi Guys, saw Techinical Issues so I thought I'd post here. Hope its the right place.
Im having issues with my router recently where the ethernet ports aren't working. They used to but for some odd reason the one im using now (4th Port) keeps disconnecting and reconnecting multiple times in a few minutes. No warnings either.

I have tried other ports however just nothing shows on the router that anything is connected? Strange.

Could it be a firmware Update? Doubful as the last firmware was only a year or so back.

Or do I just need to factory reset and hope for the best?
This is the worst time to be forking out for a new Router!

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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Fri 05-Oct-18 08:44:55
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Just to confirm, is the connection you're using (DSL/Fibre etc), stable? You could try a factory reset, but I doubt that would fix the problem. How old is the router?

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Standard User hypertony
(experienced) Fri 05-Oct-18 09:59:37
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Have you tried using different cable?

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Standard User IamFibremad
(newbie) Fri 05-Oct-18 15:37:18
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Re: Possible Dead Ports on TP-Link W9980 Router?


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Yes Connection is very much stable. The router is I'd say no older than 3 years.

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Standard User mking90031
(newbie) Fri 05-Oct-18 20:51:34
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Re: Possible Dead Ports on TP-Link W9980 Router?


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Hi,

Is this an ISP router? If it is then I would contact your ISP and ask for a FREE replacement as it isn't functioning how it should. If my Hub 3.0 router failed in ANY way then I would be on the phone to my ISP and asking for a replacement or at the very least the money to replace it. The router is their property and it is up to them to keep it working....

HTH,

Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 05-Oct-18 22:02:22
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The router is their property and it is up to them to keep it working....
This is not the case for most if not all ISPs. Nevertheless it's worth the OP contacting their ISP and seeing if they will provide another one at no cost.
Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Sat 06-Oct-18 17:07:36
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Unlikely, seen as the OP has only had the router for a few years, and most ISPs have been issuing their own routers since then.

William Grimsley.
Standard User c_j
(legend) Mon 08-Oct-18 13:02:43
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I get my broadband via a 9980 here, same as I have since I used it to replace a BT/Plusnet Homehub of some Infinity flavour, two or three years ago. The 9980 has various features that can help troubleshooting if you have time and inclination.

Alternatively can you beg borrow or otherwise acquire a replacement for the router, and/or the cable connected to port 4, and/or the device on the end of that cable?

the port im using now (4th Port) keeps disconnecting and reconnecting multiple times in a few minutes.


What's physically connected directly to port 4, and how (hardware) does it connect to the device at the far end? (e.g. plain ordinary cat5 LAN cable, or e.g. "LAN extender", HomePlug, whatever?

What kind of gizmo is connected to the 9980? Pi, Smart TV, whatever? What kind of troubleshooting help can it offer? Even if it's only LEDs on the LAN socket it might indicate something.


What makes you think port 4 is disconnected on the 9980?

E.g.Front panel LEDs on router? Event log on the router?
E.g. LAN socket LEDs on the connected device? Event log on the connected device?


No warnings either.
Where are you looking for warnings? Does it say anything at all when you plug in and/or disconnect when it works?

I have tried other ports however just nothing shows on the router that anything is connected?
What about when you plug a "known good" device on a "known good" port?

More questions than answers. Best of luck.

ps for those with long memories:
Been a while since I passed this way, other matters to deal with - but my 9980 has been working fine, touch wood]. By coincidence, on the AG homepage this morning was a query re 9980s...

Be seeing you.
Standard User gbsd
(newbie) Mon 08-Oct-18 20:12:30
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This is a big post - summary at the very bottom !!!

Quickest and cheapest worthwhile check is a new cable - except we need to be *very* careful on terminology to avoid confusion. Specifically, you need to make sure you check with a new, or known-good, *ethernet* cable. Preferably a fully-wired 8-conductor one.

Some cheap "ethernet" cables are only 4-wires inside 8-pin plugs, typically supplied with older cheap CPE (ISP-supplied routers) Avoid them uness you are absolutely desperate and have nothing else.


Reasoning: this above assumes that you have only been checking with one ethernet cable and that it might be faulty - hence trying a new one. Costs very little and you may have one lying around

Personally, I'd also try a new power supply: match the voltage ("V") exactly, connector too, and a current ("amps" or "A") equal or higher to the original.

Reasoning: a failing power supply is a nightmare. It can cause all sorts of obvious faults. Worse, it can cause a lot of confusion and irrational behavour but only under certaion conditions. For example, it may just be able to run the router OK most of the time when used only for wifi, maybe fine on on a cool day, until the extra load on the voltage rails from the ethernet transceiver when you plug a cable in- this is in the region of only about a few tens of milliamperes maximum per port but I've seen this happen once before. It's not very likely though. Sometimes it's the other way on - ethernet ports work OK but when wifi is under heavy load it'll cause a problem. There will be several power supply rails for various things insude the router, each one could be affected by a bad external PSU in complex ways, independently or in combination. Nightmare.

Often in a case light this the router is rebooting or glitching and it's hard to know what's going on. The specific methodical process listed below can help you identify this.

Ask yourself: has the unit been running warm of had bad airflow around it? For example,. sitting on a carpet is much worse than on a flat, hard surface like a table. Did you remove and plastic protection sheets that it mah have arrived with? Removing them allows a little more heat dissipation. Could it be in an area of warmer air? For example, above a radiator,

Reasoning: longterm heat damage can manifest in various ways. I notice this router modelhas a ceramic heatsink on the XWAY IC, so I assume it's a warmer one than some routers that don't need one. If it's heat damage, then you need a new router unless you fancy doing compnent level repair and have very good soldering skills. Not worth starting to repair it unless you are already a well-stocked electronics repair person with the gear and skills. To pay someone for such a repair is usually uneconomical too, you just by a new router if you have to.

Here's what I do, to simplify the confusion possibilities and speed faultfinding. This is a generic workflow for this type of symptom, not specific to TP-Link :-


1 Router on a table in front of you where you can see it, nothing plugged into it - no cables at all, not even the power. Slow down your thoughts and watch for clues as you proceed. One thing at a time, in order...

2 Plug in new or known-good ethernet cable, other end to known-good PC that is running (if you don't have a PC, at the very least least use something like a switch, AP or second router that will show you a link state LED so you know the cable is OK once tyhe router is booted, read on)

3 To clarify the above that means *no other cables yet*, none to phone line for example - to keep it simple. We don't even have the power supply lead in, because we watch things as it starts up.

4 Only now insert power supply and connect mains to router.



5 Watch router LEDs - it'll be going through a bootup sequence - exact meaning of lights is not really important - after the lights settle down, you should see the appropriate ethernet port link-state LED lit.

With a router that is not connected to the phone line at all, there should be a quick-ish boot, maybe 10-40 or 50 seconds, then it should "settle down" LED-wise. Exactly what you should see during the bootup stage in not important, when it settles, it'll be obvious that it's finished the bootup, so you can look for the all-important link-state LED.
This LED, for your appropriate ethernet port, should be constantly lit or nearly so (occasional flashing or flickering is normal especially if there traffic on the wire, but you need much more on that off. Technically, we'd say a 90% duty cycle or higher on-state of the LED is good, off is bad, and a 50/50 one off is also bad.



6 If not, move the ethernet cable to another port. Observe that port status LED.
No joy? Try the other ports, one at a time.


7 Access router web config pages - look for a router uptime, hopefully you can see it somewhere (that's the system uptime, not any DSL connection uptime - we have no DSL/phone cable in remember, deliberately. Make a note of the time on your watch. Have a cuppa. Come back, make sure router has not spontaneously rebooted in the meantime. If it has, uptime will not match so, try a different PSU if you have one handy

...Assuming it seems to work OK for say 10-15 minutes (this allows unit to warm up, thermal faults can cause spontaneous problems but it may run OK from cold for a while - often a bad electrolytic or dry joint)...

8 plug phone line (VDSL/ADSL cable into wall socket - observing router LEDs.
..at this stage, I'd watch to make sure the router doesn't reboot *itself*

9 a DSL connection may or may not occur, after a delay at this stage - most routers will sync and forward after a minute or two at most from an already-booted state. Some may need a reboot to sync, by design or bug.

10 If it seems to work OK, allow a futher 30 mins to warm up - check it again - uptime OK, is DSL sync sill connected. Does it work OK? If all is well, great. If not, borrow a matching PSU before you fork out cash for one if at all possible.

11 finally, to *prove* normal functioning in a commercial environment. I'd insert a (blank) USB flash stick in each USB port of that router and allow an hour or two for temperatures to stabilise. (Even better, a 200-300mA resistive load, be it 3.3v or 5v at the USB ports (yes, that's not a typo) The extra draw of the flash drives will load the internal power rails a little more and give you more confidence the router is stable. or not smile I'd also connect all 4 cables to a switch or other PCs and use the wifi (both bands, if possible, passing lots of traffic (huge video files) back and forth so you really work the system, preferably while connected to a VPN oif the router has that capability - this works the CPU hard. I'd leave it "on soak test" overnight if possible as a minimum.


3 years is plenty time for a PSU to go bad or certain router components to degrade, especially in a warm place. You can't reverse heat-related aging easily. In nice cool environment, say under 18degC you can sometimes get 3 to 5 or 6 years from a quality PSU and consumer router. At 14 or 15 degrees year-round you may get 8-10 years. . At 20-22 degrees, 3 years is more like it. At 25C, 24 months, at 30C 12months or less.
Often it's just the PSU, so always attempt to borrow one to test before you commit to buying a whole new router. If you have kept the router itself cool, a new PSU can be a good investment.
TP-Link is good quality for the price in my book, so look after it by keeping it cool or at least prevent it overheating. Just use common sense - you don't need fnacy heatsinks or fans in 99% of domestic cases.

Barring physicaly damage or a nearby lightning strike, bad PSUs and heat from poor location/ventilation are what cause the most problems that I see.

Bear in mind that intermittent faults or confusing faults are a real nightmare, hence the simplified, one thing at a time process above. Sure you could get all gung-ho and just plug everything in and watch it not work for hours on end while you go insane. It's up to you. I went insane decades ago, I'm just trying to ease your pain a little
.

PSUs can read fine on a DC voltmeter, even under load, but can go bad in ways that they produce excess ripple or noise that a simple meter doesn't measure. There are ways of measuring this, but life is too short - just swap out a PSU if you can.

oh - not all routers have system uptime on the status page, so you may need to use the
log instead and do a little detective work.


TL;DR summary:
New Ethernet cable is cheapest and often you have a spare. Try that first
Nojoy? Try a new PSU if you can borrow one. Common problem at that age.
Methodical process above will prove a problem or eventually inspire confidence.
Spend money only when you are SURE what the problem is.
Keep stuff cool and well ventilated for long life.
PSUs can go bad for various reasons, not just due to heat.
Standard User gbsd
(newbie) Mon 08-Oct-18 20:28:56
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Whoops, forgot to add that you could, after running through the above method, try a factory reset. Google it for your model or read the manual - especially note the corect sequence, it may be a press-hold for a few seconds during power-up to a router that is off, or a press, or a press-hold on a running router. Make sure you understand what you are doing before you start it.

You'll probably lose all the relevant settings for your ISP/WAN and LAN Both wired and WiFi), so this is a nuclear option - fine if you have a sattings backup already made or are techy enough to set it all up yourself again. Not so easy for a complex undocumented network with a lot of users.

I find that factory resets can cause a lot of end-user confusion, so I recommend that as a last resort, or second-last, after physical troubleshooting. A factory reset with a bad PSU is a waste of time anyways.

Caution: unless you KNOW and have PROVEN that the PSU is fine, I definitely wouldn't attempt to reflash the firmware (assuming you can even gain access to the web interface to do so. A bad flash can brick your router. This really IS the absolute last resort for me. Overwriting a bad EEPROM image with a good one, even using the same firmware version as before, doesn't always go well.

For clarity I should point out that I flash many routers every week to put OpenWRT on them, assuming they run OK. This doesn't phase me at all. For a working router, a reflash is a low risk process especially using factory firmware with a good PSU and reliable mains. For an unknown fault, it's a can of worms and the last resort before you sling it in the bin.
For example, I don't flash in stormy weather (mains fail or glitch at critical time would be bad news) or if I have any hardware doubts at all. Bitter experience, but you live and learn.
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