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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Fri 30-Nov-18 20:36:07
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SNR Per Tone Graph


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Hi everyone!

I've compared my line's SNR Per Tone graph between when it experiences occasional DS SNRM drops and doesn't. I've noticed that most DS tones above 332 (1431 kHz) are impacted when this occurs. Does anyone know what could be causing this?

Thanks!

Will

During drop: https://prnt.sc/lp4w9q

Normal: https://prnt.sc/lp4xko

William Grimsley.

Edited by WilliamGrimsley (Fri 30-Nov-18 21:29:07)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 01-Dec-18 00:57:51
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Re: SNR Per Tone Graph


[re: WilliamGrimsley] [link to this post]
 
The SNRM drops because the graphed data is lower wink. Not the other way round as your post implies.

The graphed data is lower because the noise is greater.

This effect has been known since ADSL was invented smile. It’s why we monitor SNRM, as that’s what it tells us just by looking at the stats in the modern.

The purpose of the graphs you posted is to show up unusual patterns compared to the particular line’s usual one, or compared to other “normal” lines. Your two patterns are basically identical, suggesting there is nothing odd going on. There are known causes of many short stretches of such graphs having consistent unusual or sudden short gaps or very low values, so helping problem diagnosis.

The standard SNRM graph is more useful day to day, enabling you to spot time-patterns for significant drops other than the expected night-time ones. Then you might find the SNR per tone ones for the precise times affected useful.

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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Sat 01-Dec-18 10:26:46
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Thanks, Bob. If you look closely though, they are far from identical. Here's the SNRM plot for the last 24 hours, as you can see it's a mess. I have posted my line stats, too. Each time there is a DS SNRM "spike" the tone graph is virtually the same.

http://prntscr.com/lpaw6l

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William Grimsley.

Edited by WilliamGrimsley (Sat 01-Dec-18 10:28:45)


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 01-Dec-18 10:42:49
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Re: SNR Per Tone Graph


[re: WilliamGrimsley] [link to this post]
 
Yes, I was tired re the shapes being virtually identical. They seemed at the time to move up and down together but now I see parts don’t.

What you also need to look at is

adsl info —pBparams

when normal and when low.

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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Sat 01-Dec-18 10:47:05
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Re: SNR Per Tone Graph


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Thanks, Bob. Would you say if parts don't, then it's interference from an electrical item?

Have looked at the pbParams, and the only values that change are the SNRM per band values, which are graphed here: http://prntscr.com/lpb3uc

William Grimsley.

Edited by WilliamGrimsley (Sat 01-Dec-18 10:53:53)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 01-Dec-18 11:14:10
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[re: WilliamGrimsley] [link to this post]
 
Blow the graph. Post the pBparams at good and bad times.

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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Sat 01-Dec-18 11:33:06
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
All the information you need is in the graph, nothing else changes.

William Grimsley.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sat 01-Dec-18 13:04:39
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[re: WilliamGrimsley] [link to this post]
 
Fine. Goodbye.

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Standard User WilliamGrimsley
(experienced) Sat 01-Dec-18 13:15:34
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[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
Just giving you the facts, no need to act like that; immaturely.

William Grimsley.
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[re: WilliamGrimsley] [link to this post]
 
Have you tried a radio tuned to the frequencies where the dips are? Likely to find a strong station at that frequency

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