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Standard User jabuzzard
(member) Thu 24-Jan-19 12:59:35
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
I would agree, you want to have the shortest possible distance between where the line comes into your house, your master socket and then the ADSL/VDSL modem for maximum speed.

However I would strongly recommend thinking about creating a network cupboard somewhere in your barn conversion, and run network cables from a patch panel to anywhere you might want to plug in a network device that does not move, might be a smart TV, games console, network connected HiFi etc. I would also strongly recommend thinking very carefully about your WiFi requirements and having some cables run to suitable ceiling locations so you can fit ceiling mounted WiFi access points powered over the ethernet cable in optimum locations for the best coverage.

Ubiquiti have some excellent free tools for planning WiFi coverage, and there UniFi AC Lite and AC-LR can both be powered from a Edgerouter X SFP, and with the right adaptor you can also power your ADSL/VDSL modem too.

Finally you might want to think about WiFi in your garden. The UniFi AC-M mesh works well as an outdoor access point that can also be powered over the ethernet cable from the Edgerouter X SFP. The beefier but more expensive Edgerouter 12P will be available later this year with more CPU grunt and more switch ports too.
Standard User rog_dee
(newbie) Thu 24-Jan-19 14:11:48
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: threelegs] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by threelegs:
you could fit a filtered faceplate where the line comes in and take a non filtered ext from the terminals on the back to the office and plug the router in to that the mk3 plate is deemed to be the better of the ones that bt produced

Appreciate all the replies. Am I correct to presume the faceplate solution quoted above and my idea posted previously will to all intents produce exactly the same result in my office? But perhaps the filtered faceplate on the master socket would give a neater appearance overall?

Please bear with me and my questions but I only have a limited amount of understanding regarding this topic. Thanks again.
Standard User rog_dee
(newbie) Thu 24-Jan-19 14:20:14
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: threelegs] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by threelegs:
you could fit a filtered faceplate where the line comes in and take a non filtered ext from the terminals on the back to the office and plug the router in to that the mk3 plate is deemed to be the better of the ones that bt produced

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-BT-Openreach-MK3-F...

it is exactly what i used for years with no problems(till we got FTTH!!) the ext for the router in the office just needs to be a standard phone ext socket (or you could use an RJ11 socket as some routers seem to be supplied with a RJ11 to RJ11 lead to connect with

Appreciate all the replies. Am I correct to presume the faceplate solution quoted above and my idea posted previously will to all intents produce exactly the same result in my office? But perhaps the filtered faceplate on the master socket would give a neater appearance overall?

Please bear with me and my questions but I only have a limited amount of understanding regarding this topic. Thanks again.


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Standard User threelegs
(regular) Thu 24-Jan-19 14:45:18
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


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yes rog dee as you said is what i said (should not skim read) the filtered faceplate solution means that the socket in the hall looks like a normal socket and the wiring for the computer socket comes off the terminals inside and then to another socket as required. the filtered master doesnt have anything other than a phone (if requred) plugged in but even then extension sockets for phone only can be taken from the master to where ever as required

socket here(expensive but as they are discontinued they are rare)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/In-original-packaging-Gen...

Edited by threelegs (Thu 24-Jan-19 14:47:55)

Standard User rog_dee
(newbie) Thu 24-Jan-19 15:16:41
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


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In reply to a post by threelegs:
yes rog dee as you said is what i said (should not skim read) the filtered faceplate solution means that the socket in the hall looks like a normal socket and the wiring for the computer socket comes off the terminals inside and then to another socket as required. the filtered master doesnt have anything other than a phone (if requred) plugged in but even then extension sockets for phone only can be taken from the master to where ever as required

Hope I have not caused any offence three legs, definitely not my intention, just a newbie trying to understand.
Next part of my enquiry:
If Openreach install master socket and I take that back to the office as I described previously, without replacing the faceplate but via an extension wired through structure of my building. Is it then correct that I still need to use a micro filter between master socket and the router and at any other telephone points in the house? The use of a replacement ‘split’ faceplate on the master socket would then not require the use of micro filters?
As ever I appreciate all your help.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 24-Jan-19 15:41:07
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: rog_dee] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by rog_dee:
In reply to a post by threelegs:
yes rog dee as you said is what i said (should not skim read) the filtered faceplate solution means that the socket in the hall looks like a normal socket and the wiring for the computer socket comes off the terminals inside and then to another socket as required. the filtered master doesnt have anything other than a phone (if requred) plugged in but even then extension sockets for phone only can be taken from the master to where ever as required

Hope I have not caused any offence three legs, definitely not my intention, just a newbie trying to understand.
Next part of my enquiry:
If Openreach install master socket and I take that back to the office as I described previously, without replacing the faceplate but via an extension wired through structure of my building. Is it then correct that I still need to use a micro filter between master socket and the router and at any other telephone points in the house? The use of a replacement ‘split’ faceplate on the master socket would then not require the use of micro filters?
As ever I appreciate all your help.
(There have been some replies to me that should have been directly to yourself, but I expect you have read them).

The solution of taking wires from the insides of the master is not perfect. It is the next best thing. As jazbuzzard said, "I would agree, you want to have the shortest possible distance between where the line comes into your house, your master socket and then the ADSL/VDSL modem for maximum speed".

It does avoid the ethernet socket in the hall, and allow you to have the router in your office. There would be a small performance loss and more risk of electromagnetic noise in the house affecting the signal from the cabinet to the router. That noise if present could affect the speed quite a bit.

If you do go that way however, your pre-wiring should preferably ducted, not just go through drill holes, and be CAT6. CW1308 standard phone cable would do, but not ordinary house wiring electric cabling.

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Edited by RobertoS (Thu 24-Jan-19 15:49:52)

Standard User jabuzzard
(member) Thu 24-Jan-19 17:06:03
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: rog_dee] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by rog_dee:
In reply to a post by threelegs:
you could fit a filtered faceplate where the line comes in and take a non filtered ext from the terminals on the back to the office and plug the router in to that the mk3 plate is deemed to be the better of the ones that bt produced

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-BT-Openreach-MK3-F...

it is exactly what i used for years with no problems(till we got FTTH!!) the ext for the router in the office just needs to be a standard phone ext socket (or you could use an RJ11 socket as some routers seem to be supplied with a RJ11 to RJ11 lead to connect with

Appreciate all the replies. Am I correct to presume the faceplate solution quoted above and my idea posted previously will to all intents produce exactly the same result in my office? But perhaps the filtered faceplate on the master socket would give a neater appearance overall?

Please bear with me and my questions but I only have a limited amount of understanding regarding this topic. Thanks again.


I would advise in the strongest possible terms not to do this. Build a small cupboard to hide it all if necessary. At worst run the CW1308 from the filtered faceplate the shortest possible distance to somewhere that is not unsightly (like under the stairs).

One day you will go FTTP and the ONT will be where the fibre comes in the house. Plan now for it to be where the master socket is.
Standard User threelegs
(regular) Thu 24-Jan-19 17:12:14
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: rog_dee] [link to this post]
 
no offence taken. if you think of the first socket as a junction box any PHONE sockets taken from it do not need micro filters (much neater)as the filter is in the filtered faceplate and the socket taken to the office does not need a micro filter as the modem uses the frequencies that the filter doesnt remove
Standard User threelegs
(regular) Thu 24-Jan-19 17:18:20
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


[re: jabuzzard] [link to this post]
 
jabuzzard the ONT does not need to be where the fibre comes in to the house.mine is in a hall cupboard and the fibre comes into the house via ducting underground up the wall to the roof through the soffit, through the loft, and down through walls into the cupboard. OK I ran the cable up and through but that was my choice and the OR engineer didnt care where the ONT was or how the fibre got there

Rog dee as ja buzzard has said you might get FTTH in the future so IF you could think of a way for the fibre to get there it might be a good idea

Edited by threelegs (Thu 24-Jan-19 17:22:03)

Standard User rog_dee
(newbie) Thu 24-Jan-19 22:46:56
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Re: BT/Openreach master socket installation


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Still taking in all the opinions and advice. Sorry if I have missed something or it is maybe my ignorance, but what is ONT?
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