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Standard User stori123
(newbie) Mon 26-Jan-15 15:06:39
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SeeTheLight - New build contract lock


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Good afternoon,

I wonder if anyone can help;

I moved into a Barratt new build over 12 months ago. At the time I was told the only provider available to me was a company called SeeTheLight. Apart from the ridiculously long setup period all seemed ok until the network continuously started dropping out and the broadband being down for nearly a day and half. I phoned SeeTheLight and they were less than helpful and in fact sent me a 5mt Ethernet cable instead (useful in this age of wireless devices).

12months later I am still with them and found out a few months ago that between SeeTheLight and Barratt I have pretty much be tied into a lifelong contract.. suffice to say I was not happy when I was told they were then putting their prices up.

My question is, are Barratt/ SeeTheLight able to tie me into contract where I have no choice but to use them? British gas may install electricity meters but we can change energy provider.

The situation is becoming beyond frustrating, I have tried OFCOM and other independent bodies and all I get is don't knows.

Many thanks
Standard User MCM
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 26-Jan-15 15:39:23
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My question is, are Barratt/ SeeTheLight able to tie me into contract where I have no choice but to use them
Not so different then from Virgin, Hyperoptic or other FTTH providers that don't use a BT based service. If you really don't want or can't afford their service you could perhaps consider a BT based service via your telephone line (assuming that you have one) which would then give you a choice of ISPs but the speeds would undoubtedly be (much) slower.
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 26-Jan-15 16:03:16
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Re: SeeTheLight - New build contract lock


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In reply to a post by stori123:
My question is, are Barratt/ SeeTheLight able to tie me into contract where I have no choice but to use them? British gas may install electricity meters but we can change energy provider.


You may have to read (or get a solicitor to read) all the things in your deeds that may be relevant.

It is not uncommon for new build to have a gas supply put in with a restrictive contract which means the gas provider subsidises the install and the householders are tied to them. This is also the case on some developments using contracted telecoms providers rather than relying on BT's obligations, as in your case.

I believe BT is effectively locked out unless the roads are adopted as public highway by the council, and this overrides the universal service obligation for a copper phone line - what happens if you put your address into BT's address checker ?

If the service is not performing to a reasonable standard or to spec then you should complain to the ISP, get a deadlock letter if you can't proceed and then take it to their dispute resolution service or ultimately resort to the law.

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Standard User flippery
(committed) Mon 26-Jan-15 20:35:56
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If you are East Wichel
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Standard User Michael_Chare
(experienced) Tue 10-Feb-15 21:05:00
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
I believe BT is effectively locked out unless the roads are adopted as public highway by the council, and this overrides the universal service obligation for a copper phone line

I would have thought that BT would be able to use their 'code powers' to provide access if necessary.

The property deeds should show if there are rights of way for water, drains, electricity and phone services across any private land to the property.

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Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Tue 10-Feb-15 21:41:55
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I would have thought that BT would be able to use their 'code powers' to provide access if necessary.


Code powers apply to public highways only. Unadopted roads are private property.
Standard User Ignitionnet
(knowledge is power) Tue 10-Feb-15 21:42:56
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My question is, are Barratt/ SeeTheLight able to tie me into contract where I have no choice but to use them?


Yes.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Tue 10-Feb-15 22:31:28
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I wonder if that comes under "Unfair contract terms" unless it is specifically brought to the buyer's (or their conveyancer's) notice?

I expect it does, but what the remedy would be is not obvious.

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Standard User TheEulerID
(member) Tue 10-Feb-15 23:09:24
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Code powers can be applied to private land, but it's far from straightforwards. A utility with code powers can make a request to a private land owner for access and wayleaves. If this is not agreed to within 28 days, then the utility can go to court where all the issues are considered.

Of course this whole exercise is very expensive. BT does, of course, have a USO for providing phone lines, and this can involve crossing private land. However, the costs have to be deemed reasonable (which is usually taken as around the equivalent of 2 week's manpower for any one line, although I don't think it's hard and fast). Beyond that, the customer will have to pay the excess. Of course if it comes to legal action to get court approval for access, then that cost could be huge. Not just that, but if the estate isn't pre-built with ducting it could be very expensive.

So there's a potential legal route to get an OR line down a private road, but it's not going to be easy or cheap, especially if there is opposition.

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Standard User Michael_Chare
(experienced) Tue 10-Feb-15 23:39:33
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I expect the existance of the code powers does help.to ensure that land owners do not resist unnecessarily. I have found that Gigaclear appear to always try to get a landowners permission, rather than relying on the terms of customers deeds.

Michael Chare
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