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Standard User nemeth782
(committed) Fri 05-May-17 10:47:34
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Caution would have to be advised on that approach,


Agree. But in reality Virgin should be acting here. As the car is blocking access to their property.


Should they? They have no powers to do anything about it, they can't even obtain the drivers details from the DVLA as they have no rights to that data.

At best they could launch a private civil claim against the driver for their losses in profit due to not being able to sign up OP as a customer. The whole process would be really expensive for them, and if the car owner did not have assets to pay costs would be a massive loss leader for them.

It's not Virgin's fault.
Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 05-May-17 10:53:29
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Presuming Virgin has a way-leave of some sort, for access to its equipment, I suggest that Virgin could legitimately move the vehicle on that basis.

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With there being a SORN, then apparently the owner/ Registered Keeper can be contacted and so informed.

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Generally the Local Authority will be able to identify whether the verges are part of the publicly-adopted roads.

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SORN -

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Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 05-May-17 15:35:59
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Presuming Virgin has a way-leave of some sort, for access to its equipment, I suggest that Virgin could legitimately move the vehicle on that basis.
And I believe that you would be wrong. I live on a gated development in central London where we collectively own the freehold. We have two abandoned cars in our car park. We cannot legally move them and are waiting for Lambeth, our local authority to do so. It's been a long wait, nine months to date.


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Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 05-May-17 16:01:08
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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I appreciate your problem with the cars - this may be because they are not obstructing direct access to anything of consequence; but in the case of the Virgin chamber, that car is clearly obstructing access to another "person's" property, similarly to if it had been abandoned directly obstructing a doorway etc.

So the legal situation could be distinctly different - and is clearly worth investigating as a possible way of breaking the impasse.

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From your description of your local situation, I'm doubtful if Lambeth Council will move them, as by your description, the cars are NOT on Lambeth Council property/ground.

Similar to farmers' problems with fly-tipping.
Standard User JohnR
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 05-May-17 17:47:02
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Should they? They have no powers to do anything about it, they can't even obtain the drivers details from the DVLA as they have no rights to that data.

It's not Virgin's fault.


I would imagine that any utility has the right to get a vehicle moved that is blocking access to their property....
Imagine a car blocking access to a water hydrant/gas cut off, when there is a leak. Will they simply do nothing or get it moved? (extreme I know, but it's the same point)

Also anyone can find out the registered keeper.
I would guess that the likes of Virgin could get it in no time if it is causing them a problem.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 05-May-17 17:50:37
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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In the case of gas/water/electric with threats to life dangers then different criteria can apply

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Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 05-May-17 18:08:09
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Incorrect. The two abandoned cars are in spaces owned by residents and thus preventing the owners from parking their cars. This makes no difference whatsoever. We are legally not allowed to move the vehicles which has to be done via the local authority.
Standard User JohnR
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 05-May-17 18:49:25
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Incorrect. The two abandoned cars are in spaces owned by residents and thus preventing the owners from parking their cars. This makes no difference whatsoever. We are legally not allowed to move the vehicles which has to be done via the local authority.


Apply for V5. Do as they wish.

Of course they could be very naughty and tow them out and leave them on the road.... Clearly the real owner is not going to complain wink

But one has to wonder given it's a private gated community. Why are there no resident only parking signs and the usual mega charge for failure to comply smile

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Standard User MCM
(knowledge is power) Fri 05-May-17 19:42:14
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Why are there no resident only parking signs
There are. That doesn't prevent someone entering the development and leaving a vehicle. In one case we know the dumper was a former tenant in one of the properties, the other we don't have a clue as to who the dumper might have been or whether they entered the site legitimately and chose not to leave or whether they tail-gated a resident to enter the site.

usual mega charge for failure to comply
Not a hope in hell of getting any recovery, all the more so when the vehicle is abandoned and the owner unknown. Check out the law as it stands today and you will find that property owners have very little redress against trespassers.
Standard User JohnR
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 05-May-17 20:33:38
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Re: Abandoned car preventing installation


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Not a hope in hell of getting any recovery, all the more so when the vehicle is abandoned and the owner unknown. Check out the law as it stands today and you will find that property owners have very little redress against trespassers.


Check out previous post for getting owners details. Then instigate legal recovery to cover the cost of the blocked parking.

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