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Standard User j314
(learned) Sat 26-Jan-19 11:58:25
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Is this a Project Lightning install?


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I was assured both by sales livechat and by the installation engineer that my connection would be FTTP (ONT outside, coax through the wall, as documented in various images I found of Lightning installs). But my end result looks a lot like a normal ye olde coax install.

Exterior: https://i.imgur.com/BqSx3Gt.jpg?1

Interior: https://i.imgur.com/2js3qiZ.jpg

In particular I notice there's no extra reverse power cable for an exterior ONT. Unfortunately I didn't take a peek inside the exterior box while it was being worked on.

Either Lightning now uses the old-style exterior box with a smaller ONT and gets its reverse power from the Hub... or I was sold FTTP and got HFC. Can anyone confirm?
Standard User 23Prince
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 26-Jan-19 22:18:40
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The pictures are the same as I have had here since the late 2000's.. so that's just normal looking to me - The outside box just has a connection under it from the pavement to the house. (mines exposed in the rain but doing ok)

I am sure someone else will correct me.
Standard User TheInstaller
(newbie) Sat 26-Jan-19 23:00:33
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Re: Is this a Project Lightning install?


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That is a standard HFC coax installation. If that is what network you have in your area, then that is the ONLY installation you will get.

The won't be any FTTP or ONT there, so don't bother looking in that box outside, as all you'll see in there is an F type joint for the coax, and two gel filled crimps for the phone line if you have one.


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Standard User acpsd775
(experienced) Sat 26-Jan-19 23:02:00
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Re: Is this a Project Lightning install?


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That is a HFC connection not a FTTP the biggest giveaway being the twisted pair running along the coax FTTP installs no not get this and the box is small,
it could still be a Project Lightning install though as Project Lightning is a mixture of FTTP and HFC extends.
I moved house in may 2018 and went from a hfc (orig yorkshire cable 1995) to a FTTP (installed in 2018) area and in all honest saw zero difference on the top package what so ever other than having my landline phone plugged into the back of the SH3 rather than a dedicated phone line,

the outside box for FTTP areas is much larger and there is an internal PSU as its no longer self powered, i wouldn't worry about it too much as long as its working as should then you will be fine on either

Ash
Standard User j314
(learned) Sat 26-Jan-19 23:31:48
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Re: Is this a Project Lightning install?


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Thanks everyone! It definitely didn't look like FTTP but I haven't had Virgin before so I didn't have much to compare it to.
Project Lightning is a mixture of FTTP and HFC extends

I didn't know that to be fair, I assumed Project Lightning == RFoG. The connection works just fine so I'm not going to complain, but I'm a tiny bit peeved since both sales chat and the engineer told me it was FTTP.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-Jan-19 11:36:22
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In reply to a post by j314:
The connection works just fine so I'm not going to complain, but I'm a tiny bit peeved since both sales chat and the engineer told me it was FTTP.

Well they're wrong, but they're probably trying to get across its "better" (to some) than the Openreach twisted pair.

You have DOCSIS over coax and coax cable connected to the SH3. The RFoG is *still* DOCSIS with coax connected to the SH3, in fact its the same SH3. I wouldn't worry.

The conversion from fibre to coax happening in your house rather than in a local road cabinet is not really going to make any difference.

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Standard User Ducksonspeed
(newbie) Mon 28-Jan-19 09:25:45
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I documented my project lighting install as I had many issues, mostly stemming from fibre runs being incomplete or low quality by the contractors who were brought in.


Riser Cabinet On my Floor

Micro-node inside my property

Close up of Micro-node

Noise Measurement

BQM

Hyperoptic 1Gbps speed test - Think Broadband

Edited by Ducksonspeed (Mon 28-Jan-19 09:31:21)

Standard User Philce
(experienced) Mon 28-Jan-19 14:03:11
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The local sales guy from VM was adamant that our install was "fibre optic".

I did try to point out the fundamental difference between copper and glass, but he couldn't comprehend the difference. Even when challenged about project lightning (which we dont have here) he just said "its the same thing".

Until mispractice like this is stopped (both Virgin and BT are guilty) there will always be this ambiguity.

Fibre to a cabinet hundreds of meters away, then using 20 year old technology to the user isnt "fibre optic".
Standard User j0hn83
(experienced) Wed 30-Jan-19 00:16:26
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True, but it makes no difference with Virgin Media if it's FTTP or not.

They don't offer any better packages on FTTP and the coax is more than capable of providing the speeds on offer.

What's to complain about unless they start offering higher packages for FTTP only within your contract period.
That won't happen though.

Your 20 year old technology (coax) is more than capable of dealing with the higher speeds that are on the way from Virgin.
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