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Standard User Mayrhofen
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 14:25:10
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Looking for a new ISP


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Good afternoon.

I am on the hunt for a new ISP and after some thoughts / advice / opinions etc.

Background Data:

Current ISP: Namesco (circa 7 years)
Router: Netgear DG834N (firmware V1.02.15)
Line Length: Circa 10k
Router Connection Speed Up: 723kbps
Router Connection Speed Down: 783kbps
Router Line Attenuation Up: 37.1db
Router Line Attenuation Down: 68.5db
Router Noise Margin Up: 4.6db (varies between 4db and 6db)
Router Noise Margin Down: 4.7db (varies between 4db and 6db)
Download Allowance: 26gb
Current Pay: £18.84 per month

Link to Samknows for exchange information: Metheringham Exchange

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Ok, so as you can see by the above router information we are not looking for mega speeds. Sometimes the router will connect up to 1024 kbps download speed but not very often, likewise the noisemargins do occasionally drop to 3db but again not very often. Line is stable, uptime since last reconnection is 185 hours and counting.

My criteria for an ISP is pretty simple:

Good & reliable
UK based technical support should it be needed
Reasonable price (am happy to pay for the UK support)

So far I have looked at, and am considering:

Plusnet as they seem to be getting a better reputation these days.
Zen as they have recently doubled their allowances and the 20gb allowance would be fine.

Incidently as this router is now several years old is it the best for long lines (would need wireless and ideally four network ports on the device)

Many thanks

Paul

Edited by Mayrhofen (Wed 16-May-12 14:29:59)

Standard User JonasTone
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 14:38:15
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Re: Looking for a new ISP


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Well looking at the exchange you describe you have a single choice on LLU TalkTalk, and im afraid from my own personal experience, they are none of the above criteria.

And BT also seem to be on that exchange.

Only issue i would have to suggest either of these providers is, neither have solely UK based support and neither of these have particularly stable services. They also operate quite severe bandwidth limitations and traffic shaping and management during peak hours, and talktalk offer terrible equipment.

But these are just my honest opinions, The ONLY good technical/customer support i have ever recieved was from o2/Be*
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 16-May-12 15:00:16
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On such a long line I'd stay away from TalkTalk, as their modem can be a pain, and their DLM tends to have a higher target.

One of the BT Wholesale based services is best.

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 16-May-12 15:02:28
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If the DG834N is stable, then I'd stick with it.

Zen, Plusnet - check the price you will pay. Market 2 gets discount, but you might have to chase for it. Possibly John Lewis, or maybe Post Office.

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User CutieCakes
(newbie) Wed 16-May-12 19:33:14
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I think our provider TitanADSL can use the talk talk wholesale network just for broadband on their Surf 24 package might be a worth looking into!
Standard User dspillett
(committed) Thu 17-May-12 10:11:31
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With a line that long there is unlikely to be any significant speed benefit from ADSL2+ (which IIRC is what TalkTalk's LLU service uses) so the OP may be better sticking with a BT based product (especially if TT's rate profiling is more aggressive at the low end as suggested above) until something that bypasses some of that copper (i.e. FTTC or other fibre) is available.

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Current Line: Andrews & Arnold (AAISP) via 80/20 FTTC, getting close to the full rate both ways, joined July 2011, upgraded from 40/10 to 80/20 May 2012.
Previous setup: Be Pro with UploadPlus (ADSL2+, AnnexM), 12ish Mbit down, 1.6 up, happy customer for ~2.5 years.
Standard User Mayrhofen
(newbie) Thu 17-May-12 11:23:33
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In reply to a post by dspillett:
With a line that long there is unlikely to be any significant speed benefit from ADSL2+ (which IIRC is what TalkTalk's LLU service uses) so the OP may be better sticking with a BT based product (especially if TT's rate profiling is more aggressive at the low end as suggested above) until something that bypasses some of that copper (i.e. FTTC or other fibre) is available.


Would I be right in thinking then that would explain why we rarely see 1mb these days as we have been moved automatically to ADSL2+. The drop in download speed occured at the same time as the upload speed increased?

Thanks

Paul
Standard User hareng
(regular) Thu 17-May-12 14:28:54
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Looks like you have a better attenuation than when i was on ADSL2+ (75db attn 1.7meg download.)
Can i suggest you have a look here and put your phone number in http://www.adsl24.co.uk/broadband/home/
See what comes up.
Should LLU be available and not suitable above ISP could change to another service should the need arise. Additionally you would have good support.

I would avoid the biggies at all costs, you want support and gonna need it.
Standard User dspillett
(committed) Thu 17-May-12 16:01:54
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It may, yes. I know when the "up to 8" started to be rolled out people generally recommended that those on very long (or otherwise bad quality) lines stick with the previous fixed rate (0.5M, 1M or 2M depending on line quality) system. I'd not be surprised to hear similar advice for ADSL-Max->ADSL2+.

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Current Line: Andrews & Arnold (AAISP) via 80/20 FTTC, getting close to the full rate both ways, joined July 2011, upgraded from 40/10 to 80/20 May 2012.
Previous setup: Be Pro with UploadPlus (ADSL2+, AnnexM), 12ish Mbit down, 1.6 up, happy customer for ~2.5 years.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 17-May-12 16:43:39
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More a function of different hardware, not all ADSL modems and DSLAMs perform the same, so moving to a different one at the exchange can affect speed, even if same DSL standard is used

Andrew Ferguson, andrew@thinkbroadband.com
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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