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Standard User planetf1
(experienced) Sun 24-Apr-16 21:59:27
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Any big players offer ADSL 2+ annexe M? How do uploads vary?


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I'm helping a friend choose a broadband deal. Being very close to the exchange (c. 400m) and not needing superfast speeds, it's likely a regular ADSL 2+ connection will suffice (but they'll go unlimited to avoid surprises esp with use of iplayer etc).

The exchange does have fttc too, but for ADSL LLU is offered by talktalk & sky too

Do any of the big players - ie talktalk, plusnet, bt, sky offer greater than 1.3 Mbps upstream ie Annexe M ? I assume they will max out at that speed or are some down in the 400-800 doldrums? (subject to line conditions of course).

they are very cost sensitive, I'm just trying to help them get the best value for money smile

Personally I couldn't do without FTTC, though my adsl speeds here are around 2 Mbps so it's a no brainer (had since 2010)

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Nigel.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 24-Apr-16 22:08:54
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If their ADSL2+ estimate is 16Mbps or lower then Annex M is a no-no. Approximately 2.5Mbps is lost from the downstream with no real increase in upstream.

The nearer to 20Mbps downstream they would get on Annex A the less they lose, and the more they gain on upstream. 20Mbps upwards it's a no-brainer to go for it.

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Standard User uno
(knowledge is power) Sun 24-Apr-16 22:23:34
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
If their ADSL2+ estimate is 16Mbps or lower then Annex M is a no-no. Approximately 2.5Mbps is lost from the downstream with no real increase in upstream.


Very much depends on the line.

My Annex M line pre FTTC was 13Mb but still saw upload around the 2Mb mark and only lost a .3 on the downstream compared to Annex A.

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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 24-Apr-16 22:26:19
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Good Lord!

I was going by the (solid) rule of thumb for Be smile.

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Standard User uno
(knowledge is power) Sun 24-Apr-16 22:27:43
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There are no solid rules when it comes to copper lines...

but with that, you'll find better lines not seeing as much upstream but with a bigger chunk of downstream missing. Just one of those things.

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Standard User planetf1
(experienced) Mon 25-Apr-16 00:15:33
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thanks for the comments on annexe M, however I'm trying to understand what the major suppliers offer - what is their ADSL upstream max (with or without annexe M)

Thanks
Standard User gt94sss2
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 25-Apr-16 01:02:57
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In reply to a post by planetf1:
they are very cost sensitive, I'm just trying to help them get the best value for money smile


Given how much an ISP would charge for Annex M your friend would find FTTC (or ADSL2+) better vfm..
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 25-Apr-16 07:49:23
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TalkTalk Business offer Annex M on their ADSL2+ services, you'd have to call them up to find out more as they don't openly advertise it on their website.

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(staff) Mon 25-Apr-16 09:50:03
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The max for consumer products is the standard ADSL2+ of what the line will manage so usually around the 700 to 800 Kbps mark

The Annex M is often only available from SME type suppliers, and can be more expensive than FTTC from big four or five suppliers.

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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Tue 26-Apr-16 16:13:06
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If money is an issue then why pay extra for Annex M do they realy need a faster upload speed (line dependent) than the norm for ADSL2+?

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