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Standard User meldrew
(experienced) Tue 19-Jul-16 13:58:15
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ISP for Low Quality Phone Line


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I have been loking into ISps with a good friend who has the slowest connection on the planet.

His provider is Utility Warehouse
Distance from Exchange 4.5 kms
Line loss 75dB
Speed acheived 256k

I do not know who UW use as a supplier but I feel that it should be possible to do better than this from exchange MRCON.

Any suggestions?

Regards and Thanks
Meldrew
Standard User BatBoy
(sensei) Tue 19-Jul-16 14:04:24
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Re: ISP for Low Quality Phone Line


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VDSL may be available. Use the DSL checker to find out www.dslchecker.bt.com

Use the Ginp Formula to determine if your vdsl2 connection is with or without G.INP.
Divide your IP Profile by your Sync Speed and the answer is 0.9669 (with) or 0.9679 (without)
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 20-Jul-16 08:42:17
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Re: ISP for Low Quality Phone Line


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At 75db attenuation then the ADSL is on the very last knockings of it's signal.

You have made all the correct checks to see if the property wiring can be optimised for ADSL haven't you ?


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Standard User meldrew
(experienced) Wed 20-Jul-16 09:20:30
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Yes have made every check possible. ! It would appear however that Utility warehouse use an unbundled LLU line via Talk Talk. Maybe a direct BT connection would be better.
Standard User kingbiscit
(member) Wed 20-Jul-16 09:51:39
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Before I could get FTTC I had a very poor ADSL service. I had loads of trouble with Zen who used the BT equipment. They actually ended up recommending I try an llu provider to get the most out of the connection. So really not sure switching to BT will help.

The best and most stable connection I had was with Sky who had equipment in my exchange.
Standard User broadband66
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 20-Jul-16 10:38:33
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We use UW as the provider but we are only 30 metres from a cabinet so usually get 14 - 15.5 mbps at most times of the day.

Your distance is probably the limiting factor

Was Eclipse Home Option 1, VM 2Mb & O2 Standard
Now Utility Warehouse (up to 16mbps) via Talk Talk
Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Wed 20-Jul-16 10:57:01
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If the router is using ADSL2+ mode/modulation try switching to ADSL2 and plain old ADSL to see what the results are. ADSL2+ isn't so good on really long lines.
For a low cost ISP other than TalkTalk LLU it's between BT and Plusnet I suppose, hard to say whether Sky LLU would be much better than TT in this scenario.

plusnet user
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Wed 20-Jul-16 13:45:53
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BT will not help as they use profiles which are likely to suck more speed away.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 20-Jul-16 13:54:15
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This is much less of an issue on the ADSL2+ WBC service.

TalkTalk (which UW use) often default to a higher target noise margin, so without seeing all the stats it may be this that is costing some speed.

The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 20-Jul-16 19:29:58
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Suggest that you list some of those checks!
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