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Standard User davebruno
(newbie) Sat 17-Sep-16 20:47:14
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ISP backhaul BT vs Sky vs TT for low jitter and ping Leeds


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Hi all,

I realize there is a similar thread but as my situation is different I thought I would post my own. I upgraded my virgin connection from 50meg to 200 Vivid gamer to find the ping spikes I was trying to avoid got worse. So I'm now cancelling.

BT offer me FTTC when I go through their website and estimate me :

WBC SOGEA Availibility Date
High Low High Low
VDSL Range A (Clean) 49 35 9.2 6.6 -- Available --
VDSL Range B (Impacted) 35 18 7.9 4.3 -- Available --

WBC FTTP Availability Date

FTTP on Demand 330 30 -- Available --

ADSL Products


WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 7 -- 4.5 to 11.5 Available --
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 7 Up to 1 4.5 to 11.5 Available --
ADSL Max Up to 5.5 -- 4 to 8 Available --
WBC Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available --
Fixed Rate 2 -- -- Available --

It has TT & Sky LLU

I play games which are player hosted P2P style connections so I also want one that wont traffic manage this type of connection and one that will have the best back-haul/route (latency and jitter) to the average uk home broadband connection..

Thanks for any help!

Dave
Standard User epyon
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 18-Sep-16 00:12:43
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Re: ISP backhaul BT vs Sky vs TT for low jitter and ping Lee


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FTTP is available which is your best option

BT can offer Infinity 1(50Mbps) 2 (80Mbps) Infinity 3 (160Mbps)or 4 (330Mbps)

TT and Sky will only offer upto 80Mbps far as i know if they even support FTTP.

BT Infinity 2 - 80/20
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Edited by epyon (Sun 18-Sep-16 00:13:44)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 18-Sep-16 00:24:48
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In reply to a post by epyon:
FTTP is available which is your best option
That is FTTPoD, (not native FTTP), which was effectively withdrawn some considerable time ago. Even if BT Consumer have started selling it again, which I don't think is the case, the costs are horrendous. That's assuming that Openreach are prepared to supply, following a survey.

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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 57825/13835kbps @ 600m. - BQM

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 18-Sep-16 00:26:00)


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Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 18-Sep-16 05:12:37
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Re: ISP backhaul BT vs Sky vs TT for low jitter and ping Lee


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This is my live broadband quality monitor on TalkTalk Business (FTTC 80/20), I will let you decide how good/bad it is smile

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/07b4d36b37d...

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TalkTalk Business 80/20
Asus RT-AC5300 with 380.59_HGG-FINAL
My Broadband Quality Monitor
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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sun 18-Sep-16 05:13:35)

Standard User 23Prince
(regular) Sun 18-Sep-16 09:06:28
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
This is my live broadband quality monitor on TalkTalk Business (FTTC 80/20), I will let you decide how good/bad it is smile

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/07b4d36b37d...


Schweet!! laugh

But dosen't mean he will get the same :/
Standard User davebruno
(newbie) Sun 18-Sep-16 09:47:59
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Re: ISP backhaul BT vs Sky vs TT for low jitter and ping Lee


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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
This is my live broadband quality monitor on TalkTalk Business (FTTC 80/20), I will let you decide how good/bad it is smile

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/07b4d36b37d...


Nice BQMs from competing providers is what im looking for, yours is really nice and stable but its higher than my vm, do you have dlm intervleaving on? Is it TT LLU? And is static IP the only advantage to buisness or does it avoid shaping too?

I heard that TT use stability rather than speed profile is this correct?
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 18-Sep-16 11:11:26
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In reply to a post by davebruno:
Nice BQMs from competing providers is what im looking for, yours is really nice and stable but its higher than my vm, do you have dlm intervleaving on? Is it TT LLU? And is static IP the only advantage to buisness or does it avoid shaping too?

I heard that TT use stability rather than speed profile is this correct?


No idea what FTTC profile I am on & what profiles TTB use. One of my neighbours is on BT FTTC, his pings are in the high 20s. On the few ADSL2+ & VDSL2 connections i've seen in the Inverness area (BT/TT/Sky) pings are never less than 20ms so geography plays a big part. And VM won't touch North Scotland with a bargepole. You really need to compare various connections in your street/town to get a fairly good idea of performance differences.

Both TTB & TTR don't do any traffic shaping, main advantage of TTB (direct) over TTR, is far better phone support (7 days Warrington based), up to 4 static IP address, business tel line features, Talk2Go Business smart phone app. On the downside they have a 24 month eye watering min contract period on their FTTC packages.

Irrespective of which ISP you go for, you may want to use a router which is designed to minimize lag such as the Netduma R1
https://netduma.com/

A couple of high end Asus routers will also do something similar:
https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC88U/
https://www.asus.com/Networking/RT-AC5300/

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TalkTalk Business 80/20
Asus RT-AC5300 with 380.59_HGG-FINAL
My Broadband Quality Monitor
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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sun 18-Sep-16 11:16:32)

Standard User les70
(newbie) Sun 18-Sep-16 11:40:14
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I am not sure that TTB don't do traffic management. I have just moved from TBB after 2.5 years. While the BQM was always near perfect I found great variation in single thread download speeds with typically 23mb/s or less in the evening and about 65mb/s when things were quiet on the network. The issue was impossible to get engaged by TTB, they just used their own multi-thread download test and that to be fair did not tend to show any slow downs.

I am now on BT wholesale with uno and pings are less and single thread downloads always the same as multi-thread..
Standard User baby_frogmella
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 18-Sep-16 12:13:28
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On my TTB connection i don't find any difference between single & multi thread speeds - they more or less match up. Glasnost test also confirms no traffic shaping. I suspect you may been experiencing congestion on the TT network, AFAIK none of the mainstream ISPs employ traffic shaping these days.

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TalkTalk Business 80/20
Asus RT-AC5300 with 380.59_HGG-FINAL
My Broadband Quality Monitor
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Standard User les70
(newbie) Sun 18-Sep-16 13:19:26
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I would agree that it was congestion but its existence was denied by TTB on the basis that they only counted their multi-thread test. I don't think the way the BQM stayed perfect is typical of congestion so I do tend to think the low single thread speed was the way their network managed congestion. I am not sure whether you would call that traffic shaping or not.
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