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Standard User Nightglow
(member) Sun 02-Sep-18 08:39:54
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Changing ISP


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My BT contract has ended, so am looking for a new isp provider,curently getting 74/15, I have G Fast at cab, but not really bothered about that.

Out of the two which is better to go wit.

Sky

Uno
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 02-Sep-18 08:46:36
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Re: Changing ISP


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I guess what might help others to offer an opinion, is if you explained what your criteria are for judging a good service from an ISP ?

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 10:07:24
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Re: Changing ISP


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And what the OP doesn’t like about BT, especially if they can get a good retention deal, would also help.

Also possibly important is if they use their own modem/router or a BT Hub.

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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 02-Sep-18 10:07:52)


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Standard User 961a
(committed) Sun 02-Sep-18 10:18:22
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Re: Changing ISP


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
And what the OP doesn’t like about BT, especially if they can get a good retention deal, would also help.

Also possibly important is if they use their own modem/router or a BT Hub.


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Standard User Nightglow
(member) Sun 02-Sep-18 10:23:14
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Re: Changing ISP


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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
And what the OP doesn’t like about BT, especially if they can get a good retention deal, would also help.

Also possibly important is if they use their own modem/router or a BT Hub.


Using a Draytek 130 with a old RT-N66U,which has Merlin,& is no longer supported by them.
So, looking to upgrade router,not fussed with keeping 130.

Might be worth trying get a good retention deal,I'm just exploring other options as well.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 10:43:30
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Why I asked about having your own modem/router is because Sky try to force you into using the one they supply, which logs in using MER. (Nothing to do with Merlin).

Using your own is allowed, but AIUI they won’t tell you the username and password. (Unless that policy has been changed). There are plenty of posts explaining how to discover them, but whatever you use needs to support MER.

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Standard User gymno74
(newbie) Sun 02-Sep-18 11:36:46
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Username and password haven't been required since december 2016.
Any gibberish in the correct format will work.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 11:39:08
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For Sky login?
Does that mean the MER question has also gone and any router will do?

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Standard User Davey_H
(regular) Sun 02-Sep-18 11:51:06
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In reply to a post by RobertoS:
For Sky login?
Does that mean the MER question has also gone and any router will do?


No the Router still needs to support DHCP option 61
Standard User gymno74
(newbie) Sun 02-Sep-18 12:01:36
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As above, option 61 still needs to be supported.

The 'sky router only' restriction was actually removed from the T/C's around a month ago, so folks are discussing on the official forum now.
A bit. smile
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 12:19:02
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Thanks to both for myself, and no doubt useful to the OP as well smile.

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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 02-Sep-18 12:19:27)

Standard User Nightglow
(member) Sun 02-Sep-18 17:18:07
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That is very useful info to me & many others,thanks.
Is there any particular modem you recommend for Sky.

Edited by Nightglow (Sun 02-Sep-18 17:19:15)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 17:33:04
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It's the router component that matters for MER support, and sorry I don't know the good ones for Sky. I was just letting you know it was something to consider in the choice between Sky and uno.

Modem component choice is (usually) to do with what make of FTTC cabinet you're connected to.

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Standard User gymno74
(newbie) Sun 02-Sep-18 19:51:37
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There is a list of routers recently posted on another website.
I'm not sure of forum rules yet so will send you a pm with the url (& for fun) the sky forum thread it came from.
Just ignore everything about extractng un / pw using wireshark & the mac cloning nonsense.
I suspect the list isn't comprehensive.

As for eci / huawei cabinet & the best modem chipset to match, again i can only point to somewhere it's been regularly discussed.
So 3 url's in the pm.

Pm's sent to RobertoS too.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 02-Sep-18 20:20:02
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There's no rule against posting that sort of link smile. About the only link (other than to censorable sites) you can't post is one that has a "Referral reference" in it so that you stand to benefit smile.

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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 70745/12295Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
Standard User gymno74
(newbie) Sun 02-Sep-18 20:47:10
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OK thanks RobertoS.
On ALL points made, public & private. smile

Edited by gymno74 (Sun 02-Sep-18 21:48:20)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 03-Sep-18 08:47:37
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Also worth considering TalkTalk @ £25 pm for their 80/20 FTTC package:

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/8159-new-talktal...

Their phone support isn't the best but that's not surprising considering the prices they charge. Probably not for you if you need someone to hold your hand whilst troubleshooting issues otherwise their forum support is pretty good.

Despite their faults, they operate a rock solid network...they let you leave within the first 30 days free of charge if you're not happy with your service. I don't think i got any slowdowns at all when I was with them from 2010 to 2017. Oh and you're free to use any router you like on their connection smile

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30

My Broadband Speed Test

Edited by baby_frogmella (Mon 03-Sep-18 08:49:09)

Standard User Nightglow
(member) Mon 03-Sep-18 09:01:31
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In reply to a post by gymno74:
There is a list of routers recently posted on another website.
I'm not sure of forum rules yet so will send you a pm with the url (& for fun) the sky forum thread it came from.
Just ignore everything about extractng un / pw using wireshark & the mac cloning nonsense.
I suspect the list isn't comprehensive.

As for eci / huawei cabinet & the best modem chipset to match, again i can only point to somewhere it's been regularly discussed.
So 3 url's in the pm.

Pm's sent to RobertoS too.




Thanks

Edited by Nightglow (Mon 03-Sep-18 09:02:17)

Standard User trolleybus
(experienced) Mon 03-Sep-18 13:29:51
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Do bear in mind that once you leave BT, that's your email address gone as well [assuming you are NOT using your own Domain]. Whether you can pay BT to retain the email facility is unknown.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 03-Sep-18 14:35:38
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You can pay BT to retain email - I was offered the option when I left (I don't use BT mail and so it didn't make any difference to me). It isn't cheap though at £7.50 per month so there are many other much more competitive options out there.

Edited by ian72 (Mon 03-Sep-18 15:26:20)

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 03-Sep-18 15:01:55
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In reply to a post by trolleybus:
Do bear in mind that once you leave BT, that's your email address gone as well [assuming you are NOT using your own Domain]. Whether you can pay BT to retain the email facility is unknown.
Or Hotmail or Gmail. Also see Ian72's reply.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. 200GB. Sync 70745/12295Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 03-Sep-18 15:02:36)

Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 03-Sep-18 15:24:35
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Re: Changing ISP


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As above, option 61 still needs to be supported.

The 'sky router only' restriction was actually removed from the T/C's around a month ago, so folks are discussing on the official forum now.
A bit. smile
That is good news although were I am I can't get a Sky service anyway. On my Zyxel router, if I select Encapsulation = IPoE I then get "DHCP Option 61 IAID" where I can enter an 8 digit hex field and "DHCP Option 61 DUID" where I can enter an unspecified digit hex field. Are either of those likely to work?

Is this the list of Sky compatible routers others have mentioned, and is this the most relevant thread on the Sky forum?

Michael Chare
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 03-Sep-18 15:33:46
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Plusnet have recently told me that they will no longer charge for email addresses from an old ADSL connection I stopped a few years ago. I also have free btinternet.com addresses from the dial up days, which I was allowed to keep after going through a tedious leaving procedure.

Michael Chare
Standard User gymno74
(newbie) Mon 03-Sep-18 15:56:17
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Hi Michael.

Here are the links:

Router list:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2018/06/2018-u...

Sky forum thread it came from:
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Broadband/Using-own-mod...

The skyuser site you linked to is where all the deeper technicalities have been discussed for many years.
There are too many threads to mention.
Standard User Michael_Chare
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 03-Sep-18 18:16:58
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Thank you gymno74

Michael Chare
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