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Standard User Littleseen
(member) Mon 19-Aug-13 14:10:50
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BT Openreach's mad bureaucracy


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I have just been converted by Zen to their 100GB fibre broadband and full marks to Zen

Not to Openreach

On Tuesday 13th August Openreach sent a outside-contract engineer to add the so-called modem and this worked as you can see cos I am on the web. He did not check the phones with the result I have been only able to accept incomi9ng landline calls and cannot make outgoing.

BT first said I wasn't a telephone customer. I proved I was. They then said they were not responsible for mistakes made by THEIR outside engineer. I instated they were which then they accepted that. I got no further help

So I sent an e-mail to Mr Ian Livingstone, BT's Chief Executive which was seemingly read by him and he asked me to contactBT on 01522 546 365 giving the name of the person who had now had to take charge of this matter until it was reserved.

It is day eight. I still cannot make outside calls. They have admitted the fault and their liability. However they cannot even sending an Openreach engineer until BT have committed their full period which end tomorrow.

NOT EVEN THE BT CE's PERSONAL ASSISTANT CAN PROGRESS THIS BUREAUCRACY THAT HAS GONE MAD

Meanwhile, as I have told them, my wife and I are aged 84, have had strokes, I am registered deaf and cannot manage mobile phones and the two of us feel very volnerable without a functiopnal OUTGOING landline.

BT made us use a fibre modem and they have accepted the liability of commissioning it. But they won't act.....

Do other people have these difficulties when they upgrade to fast fibre

Obscurity is a comfortable cloak

Edited by Littleseen (Mon 19-Aug-13 14:14:49)

Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 19-Aug-13 14:59:38
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It shouldn't be a difficult system as BT are normally very good at acknowledging a fault.
As BT said you are not a telephone customer that seems extremely strange... Perhaps your line rental is with BT and calls elsewhere or something?
The best thing to do is to keep it simple. Speak to BT, just explain that you can no longer make outgoing calls. There's no need to go into all the details e.g. the fibre upgrade, the engineer doing outside work, who's liable etc... All you need to be telling BT is that you cannot make outgoing calls. BT have a legal obligation to provide a voice service to you.

BT will inform you that there is a potential charge if the problem is inside your property. To avoid this ensure you have checked the landline in the master socket. This charge is only levied when a customer has done something silly such as cutting through the cable inside their house, using a broken phone, or using a faulty internal extension socket (usually fitted by a builder or themselves) etc. If the issues outside of the property or on the wiring up to the master socket BT will pay for the call out (which is the majority of the time). Clearly ISPs cannot be paying when it's the end users negligence, so these people are billed.

So to sum up. Ring whoever provides your calls, as you say BT. Explain you cannot make any outgoing calls. They will offer to send out an engineer but will advise you of a potential charge if the issue is due to your internal wiring, after this they will send out an engineer who will resolve it within a few days. All providers work like this and all providers follow these guidelines.

Most people do not have these difficulties no, it's just unfortunate.

Edited by ukhardy07 (Mon 19-Aug-13 15:00:36)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 19-Aug-13 15:10:19
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Can you make outgoing calls with a corded handset from the hidden test socket behind the 2 parts of the faceplate of the master socket (discon the modem)?

If not, you should report it as a voice fault, without mentioning BB or the modem at all, to your landline provider. If they are BT you can even report it online: Report a fault. They are obliged to fix it.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC


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Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 19-Aug-13 15:35:13
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Definitely try the test socket as suggested
Here it is http://adsl.yesyes.info/pics/Testsocket2.jpg
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:02:51
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Don't think that's the entire socket you get with fibre. Think there's another bit like an I-Plate, the interstitial thing.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User ukhardy07
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:04:48
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Oh of course this is fibre.

If you unscrew the two screws all the way the entire filter and fronting comes out fairly easily revealing the old style test socket.
Standard User tommy45
(knowledge is power) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:06:40
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If the OP could make and receive calls using the same equipment as they are using now chances are that it's a direct result of a botched FTTC install and the problem will most likely be at the pcp , even if it's as a result of a faulty filtered faceplate that the BTO engineer fitted as part of the install that wouldn't result in a charge by BT,

I certainly wouldn't be plugging into the test jack if my phone failed to work following a FTTC install (diagnosing the fault for them)

Had the engineer done his job and completed the task completely instead of this hit & run approach that seem to be common place these days, even with some BTOR engineers, this type of problem wouldn't be occuring

Edited by tommy45 (Mon 19-Aug-13 16:09:35)

Standard User stuorguk
(member) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:13:55
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This does not surprise me. Openreach messed up my install. BT Retail said I was confused, but with my insistence, they sent out an engineer. The engineer verified the fault, as the cable being labelled wrongly at the exchange, but he was unable to fix it himself, and said it was BT Retails problem. Around we went in that cycle three times. It took over a year to get it sorted properly.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:19:43
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In reply to a post by tommy45:
If the OP could make and receive calls using the same equipment
Yeah, but I'm suggesting what if they can't?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User lexden16
(member) Mon 19-Aug-13 16:29:19
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I agree. However, the OP finds himself - as do many others - in something of a Gordian Knot not of his own making. Everything worked until FTTC was installed. We know that this type of installation requires 'in' and 'out' of premises work by an OR- directed engineer. OR would appear to be the guilty party and the OP needs them to get it sorted without him having to resort to test sockets, phone fault reporting etc. Personally, I would give them another 24 hours and I would then email my MP copy to the CEO at BT. It shouldn't be necessary but, given the OP's age and circumstances, he deserves better. On the wider point, it is time that OFGEM got a grip of this nonsense. FWIW, my view is that the ISP that contracted BT to do the work on the line should be the first POC when issues such as this arise.

As David Lloyd would say ' Time to start the car'.
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