Another one upgraded

Me. 13/1/13.

My upgrade happens on Christmas Day. I won't be here to see it though. I do not expect to see much change.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Me. 13/1/13.

From what to what?

There's only one uograde from what's in my sig. You ought to allow them .

Extra >> Unlimited. I'm worried about exceeding the 250GB as I'm hitting almost 7GB peak time most months and nearly 8GB total. Did nearly 12GB one month.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Extra >> Unlimited. I'm worried about exceeding the 250GB as I'm hitting almost 7GB peak time most months and nearly 8GB total. Did nearly 12GB one month.

Wow, you are cutting it fine.

Ubuntu torrents always run at line speed for me (Sky). Perhaps a before and after p2p test would be good, at 9pm? Admittedly it's early days but I'm sure the results would be of interest.

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/alternative-d...

Nah. Sorry. No torrent clients on here and I'm not installing anything I'm not interested in.

I've got to watch my disc space as well you see. I've used 64GB and only got 217GB left, since initial setup 21 July 2011.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I've got to watch my disc space as well you see. I've used 64GB and only got 217GB left, since initial setup 21 July 2011.

Oh my. I have about the same space... in RAM

I tried this on Infinity with µTorrent and I was getting around 4MB/s with a VPN and 2kB/s without.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I tried this on Infinity with µTorrent and I was getting around 4MB/s with a VPN and 2kB/s without.

I heard early reports on Infinity of torrents running at half line speed. Has the influx of customers drastically increased traffic management on torrents on Infinity? If yes, it doesn't bode especially well for Plusnet, unless BT throw a lot more money at Plusnet than they do their own ISP.

Roberto don't do torrents for anybody. I asked him before I move to PN. Lol
I think he has a torrent phobia.


Anyway why would roberto want to move onto unlimited fibre, when he only uses 12GB month? Bit pointless isn't it.

Edited by deleted (Sat 22-Dec-12 20:34:59)

Are you happy with the p2p speeds on Plusnet?

I would say I was reasonably happy with the P2P speeds on PN but I will see what happens. At least PN do state what restrictions and when on P2P. Unlike BT retail fibre.


Why not check out my post below and thread. Don't forget it is for Extra Fibre and not the new PN unlimited fibre. P2P could be worse on the new package or better.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4190440-r...

Edited by deleted (Sat 22-Dec-12 21:12:55)

In reply to a post by superspeed:

Why not check out my post below and thread. Don't forget it is for Extra Fibre and not the new PN unlimited fibre. P2P could be worse on the new package or better.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/plusnet/t/4190440-r...

They look ok. However some of the torrents you posted have more peers than seeds. Ideally for maximum speeds you should pick torrents with more seeds than peers. The Ubuntu torrents generally satisfy this.

Well they were well seeded most of the time and enough download bandwidth from the rest of them. Speeds were OK though, just PN could of been better.

My upload was at it's max, like wombat said, because my upload speed was being restricted, due to my profile at the time.

Check out some of the others that posted on as well, like acpsd775.

Why not start a new thread and ask other members who have moved onto the new unlimited fibre to do some tests for you. You will know then if you want to move to unlimited fibre.

Edited by deleted (Sat 22-Dec-12 23:26:06)

In reply to a post by superspeed:

Don't forget it is for Extra Fibre and not the new PN unlimited fibre. P2P could be worse on the new package or better.

How could it be worse?

On the individual line it has the throttling removed, and on the total platform the two are the same.

What I'm saying is that in the (in my opinion) unlikely event that torrent speeds degrade in the next 12 months, or even longer, both products would be affected in the same way on any particular line.

Actually I suspect the Unlimited would do better. Plusnet would rob capacity from P2P etc on the old products to keep the flagship product going as advertised.

I just don't think plusnet will be able to cope with unlimited, especially when the 24/7 torrent downloaders start abusing it. I will give it about a year and I think PN will either introduce caps, or scrap the unlimited fibre. (Just my opinion)

Remember what happend to 02? Had unlimited broadband to start with then scrapped them and introduced traffic management. That's why I am not going swap over, for now.

I'm sure I read that P2P on unlimited is in bronze or best effort. So still low priority all the time.

Edited by deleted (Sun 23-Dec-12 13:04:30)

If they did that, PN would be in breach of contract. They would have to keep to the terms of the old contract or product, or thats grounds for termination, for breach of contract.

Edited by deleted (Sun 23-Dec-12 13:02:39)

I'm sure that it's not caused by all these upgrades but my download speed has halved in the last week or so!

Edited by deleted (Sun 23-Dec-12 13:25:19)

Point taken, but that would be only if they went below the published minimum speeds. At the moment I believe they are fairly well above that.

Yes it's in bronze, but that will only affect the prioritisation of your line when it is maxed out.

In reply to a post by superspeed:

If they did that, PN would be in breach of contract. They would have to keep to the terms of the old contract or product, or thats grounds for termination, for breach of contract.

Plusnet say bronze will (sometimes) go slower than gold in the traffic management queues, but they haven't said how much slower. In my opinion they could slow bronze on Extra Fibre as much as they want, legally.

Now, the Unlimited Fibre is a whole different ball game, because using the "unlimited" word carries certain obligations, namely: "Provider-imposed limitations that affect the speed or usage of the service are moderate only and are clearly explained in the marketing communication".

Of course, the word "moderate" is open to debate, but if Plusnet do "de-prioritise" bronze to a large extent, the ASA would be interested.

In reply to a post by jelv:

Yes it's in bronze, but that will only affect the prioritisation of your line when it is maxed out.

Prioritisation covers both per-connection and overall network.

But as PN have repeatedly said that they have (and will) increase overall network capacity so that all Unlimited lines can run at line speed it's only the per-connection that is relevant.

Providing the total of the traffic on the Unlimited users line is running at line speed, Plusnet can de-prioritise bronze all they like and the ASA will be 100% happy.

In reply to a post by jelv:

But as PN have repeatedly said that they have (and will) increase overall network capacity so that all Unlimited lines can run at line speed it's only the per-connection that is relevant.

But the product is design such that they can traffic-manage bronze so that it is slowed down across the network as a whole. Not everyone shares your unwavering faith in Plusnet.

It's not so much an unwavering faith in Plusnet as reliance on the fact that this is what they have said and if they get it wrong the storm that will break out will cause untold damage to their reputation. They know that so I can't believe they would let it happen.

In reply to a post by reserved:

I'm sure that it's not caused by all these upgrades but my download speed has halved in the last week or so!

Seeing as the first signups to the new product were this Wednesday; and there are very few live on it - those being only people whose billing date fell between 19 and 23 December inclusive; and of those the ones changing their P2P habit from 8pm-10pm to cover 19:13 are not likely to be all; I suggest it is nothing to do with your loss of speed.

Interesting as well that you say "in the last week or so". Your fast test is well over a month ago. The normal seasonal disturbances to loads of connections are probably more what you are experiencing. The most frequent cause being your or a neighbour's Christmas lights.

In reply to a post by superspeed:

Remember what happend to 02? Had unlimited broadband to start with then scrapped them and introduced traffic management.

And reinstated unlimited on the All Rounder and The Works on 11 September 2011. The Works has no throttling. All Rounder does have considerable throttling of P2P. Table.

As I've already explained somewhere or other, we are not in the situation of there being normally only one, (if any), BTW-based ISP offering unlimited usage.

We have the two biggest, both of them geared up to a huge expansion of throughput. We also have unlimited fibre available on Sky and TalkTalk. O2 and Be still have unlimited unthrottled.

Things have moved on. Costs have gone down.

Quite possibly. In terms of other BT Wholesale providers though, I can't forsee BT relaxing its traffic management at least in the short term, having picked up the first wave of heavy downloaders on long contracts. As for Talktalk, I hear they throttle quite heavily on fibre too.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

We have the two biggest, both of them geared up to a huge expansion of throughput.

Which 2 BTW-based ISPs? Is Orange/EE 1 of them?

They unlimited as well? Even better - three spreading the load. Two of them with thrown-in incentives to keep punters away from Plusnet .

Yes, but P2P/Newsgroups slowed during peak:

In reference to help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/com.instranet.InstraServlet?Command=com....:

Data caps and download limits
What are the download/upload limits or data usage caps on this product?
Orange Broadband is an unlimited service, with no data usage limit
....
Traffic Type Blocked Slowed down Prioritised
Peer to Peer (P2P) � , , , , , , �
Newsgroups �, , , , , , , , , , , �

Still like to know the other BTW-based ISPs you wot of?

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Still like to know the other BTW-based ISPs you wot of?

Sorry, I thought that was obvious. BT Retail, Plusnet, and Orange. All with unlimited.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 23-Dec-12 19:19:27)

Just checking there was not another non-BT ISP.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by reserved:

I'm sure that it's not caused by all these upgrades but my download speed has halved in the last week or so!

Interesting as well that you say "in the last week or so". Your fast test is well over a month ago. The normal seasonal disturbances to loads of connections are probably more what you are experiencing. The most frequent cause being your or a neighbour's Christmas lights.

I had some results from about 10 days which were in the region of 14-15Mbs but can't remember which site that was on, obviosly not TBB

As you say, get Christmas out of the way & see what the New Year brings!!!