Hi again, thanks for the information guys

@ Mr Saffron - sorry for the confusion I missed some information, I need to try and sort the forum view to always FLAT, my apologies...

@ RobertoS - I thought in areas (for e.g.) where their is FTTC is availble and FTTP could be made available later that it would be run from the cab saving having to lay more fibre? ive seen diagrams that show FTTC as fibre to cab and copper from cab to home, and FTTP is the same diagram but with fibre from the cab to home?
- i know that in this scenario Iam asking about its not the case and its native FTTP.

- so when FTTP becomes available they are not using any of the FTTC fibre? they are istalling new fibre alongside it specifically for FTTP...is that right?

also, is their anyway of finding out which other ISP's are available over this native FTTP..? as mentioned he is in "Superfast" Cornwall which i THINK he said is part funded by BT and part by others, cant be sure though...

thanks again for the help guys, really appreciate it

There are three fibre product families

FTTC - you know all about that
Native FTTP which you are learning about
Fibre on Demand FTTP

Now physically the two FTTP ones are identical, and don't touch the fibre used for the FTTC service (but may share same ducting). In the native FTTP scenario then various GEA-FTTP product speeds are available, and ones that match the FTTC products to make life easy for ISP's. Alas many ISPs are slow to offer service in FTTP areas.

Fibre on Demand is new (launches in a week or so) and while same layout as native FTTP the FTTP part from a location near to your FTTC cabinet is only built when you order and pay a larger fee and will only OFFER one product speed at the time of launch as 330 Mbps service

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband.... lists the FTTC and FTTP providers.

The fact that it is the cornwall project makes no difference as to which services you can order, it is all Openreach based, so available to all providers, just that many don't want to bother with FTTP because its only available to 100,000 or so homes across the UK from Openreach.

The key point to remember is that BT is a big company, and when you say BT you are talking about many divisions that often have no contact with each other, or have regulatory limits on how much they can interact.

In reply to a post by paulb100:

- i know that in this scenario Iam asking about its not the case and its native FTTP.

And Native FTTP means there is no FTTC available in that location, only FTTP.

However, it also means that it costs the same as getting FTTC - there will be no charge for running that fibre to the house.

- so when FTTP becomes available they are not using any of the FTTC fibre? they are istalling new fibre alongside it specifically for FTTP...is that right?

Yes. Totally different fibre.

When they install FTTC (in other places) they also happen to be laying a fibre backbone for the future, but even then it is physically different fibre that is used for the 2 jobs.

also, is their anyway of finding out which other ISP's are available over this native FTTP..? as mentioned he is in "Superfast" Cornwall which i THINK he said is part funded by BT and part by others, cant be sure though...

Cornwall is indeed being part funded by BT, in its Openreach guise. That doesn't mean you need to use BT as the retail provider.

I only know of BT Retail that currently readily supplies service to native FTTP areas, and only know of Plusnet that offers it as a freely-joinable trial.

I suspect that Superfast-Cornwall will know better what other ISPs can be used for native FTTP.

Various SME providers do FTTP products too, but consumer side its BT Infinity or Plusnet.

Is this how we're going to refer to the original FTTP then: "Native FTTP"?

I hadn't thought how confusing it was going to get once FTTP-on-Demand arrived.

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thanks again for the replies, really appreciate it... well you learn something new everyday (and thats why I love it so much hehe) - yeha I just though FTTP was an extension on from FTTC cabs.. I suppose it has something to do with the Mutliplexing at the cab DSLAM etc? with the whole link being designed to work for VDSL in the manner that it does... its probably more awkward to pop a pure fibre link into it, suppose it would mean another 'pure fibre' DSLAM in each cab too??...so it makes sense just to run it direct to the exchange.

thanks again.

Partial fibre = FTTC
Full Fibre = FTTP

Native FTTP = my label for areas with just FTTP
FoD = Fibre on Demand

Any better ideas?

FTTC uses a point to point fibre solution from cabinet back to the exchange, though that should be called the Handover Node these days. This lets Openreach scale the backhaul in Gigabit chunks as they need.

FTTP uses GPON fibre which is then split between multiple premises using splitters, usually 2.5Gbps of download capacity is split between 32 to 128 premises.

http://blog.thinkbroadband.com/2012/11/spotters-guid... some FTTP and a bit of FTTC kit including inside Falmouth Exchange

Paul

Several of the ISPs mentioned in the 15 on the openreach site specifically say FTTP so should provide it. I haven't looked at all 15 but I'm sure you could, ( Spectrum do not mention it but only appear to serve S.Wales so the wrong area).

Apart from BT speeds are identical to the FTTC products, I cannot find mention of a faster than 80Mb option on the BT site but I'm sure they offer something like 130Mb somewhere.

Our listing
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/bt/package/1132-un...

Seems to have dropped off of the BT listing on their own site currently.