Next year's "alert" letters

Will Plus.Net be joining the initial consortium of BT et al, to start sending "alert" messages next year after the talks between the music/film oligarchs and the ISP industry have all but concluded ?

I'm sure those who partake in those activities that these so called alert letters will be regarding , will desist and stop doing it like good little drones , More like start to use a VPN's or seed boxes or other means of obfuscating their real IP address from torrent trackers and the copy right trolls like Bendover ACSlaw ECT ( that lurk within some torrent swarms, harvesting IP addresses , So they can get personal details of the account holder's and start their speculative invoicing scams

As for if Plusnet will follow what it's bretheren company does , I would i think will maybe depend on what they want plusnet to do , A bit like the web blocking of TPB which apparently uses the same filtering as BT retail to block it, Although plusnet are reportedly working on their own web blocking solution which they plan to implement later in the year accoring to what public info is available on the WWW

Edited by tommy45 (Sun 11-May-14 17:59:09)

Post deleted by MrSaffron

Or filed under the letter B for Bin

The use of the odd character suggests you knew the word that got your post removed could be contentious and so the whole post is deleted.

This is not to say you are not allowed to voice your opinion on the letter scheme, just keep the language civil

Will be interesting to see how it all pans out...

casual users may well stop, a letter will scare them and connect the virtual world of the internet to real life as they see it. Or it may alert parents who are not doing it but their kids are,

Of course heavy and internet affluent users will probably ignore them and carry on.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-May-14 13:20:02)

So, WWE is not important enough to you to pay for Sky where you could get the content so you will download it illegally?

It is available to you. You don't like the price point. So you will steal it instead. Sounds totally moral to me.

but I have no other legal option

Rubbish. You do. You just don't want to pay the cost of it.

I just don't see the point. If (as the BBC man said it would be) it's 4 letters and then nothing why bother sending out the 4?

There is a point, but it's so stealthy people will initially miss it. It is a way of letting you know that they have detected you sharing content. Your name has the potential to be added to a Data Sharing Offenders Register (which I'll call the DSOR from this point on). Btw, I've just made this DSOR up (I'm not aware that one exists yet, but give them time, and something like this will exist, of that I'm sure).

Per http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27330150

A record of which accounts had received alerts, and how many, will be kept on file by the ISPs for up to a year.

The rights holders will receive a monthly break down of how many alerts have been sent out, but only the ISPs will know the identities of the customers involved.

So they've already got the first step in place. After this is done, the next legislative step would be to setup a permanent DSOR system, which can then be used to start "black marking" you for how you use/abuse the internet. Just like you may be "black marked" for how you use/abuse credit (aka. your credit rating).

Governments and corporations do not like what they can't control. They are only just now beginning to catch up with the freedom the Internet had 20 years ago, and are now starting to clobber that too. Sad really. And in my opinion, this is only the start of much worse things to come.

It's more of a case of not being able to have Sky where I live

That is not what you said:

I can't get the WWE network here yet and also sky is expensive so I get it via torrents

You said Sky was expensive so why wouldn't you say it isn't available rather than expensive? But again, even at £10 per day it is available - you keep saying you can't get it then saying it is too expensive.

Youtube is largely dealt with by agreements around content and they take down content where the owner complains. That is not the case for torrents. 2 totally different subjects.

I am not pretending to know something. There was no way I could know from your post that you could not get Sky as you just said it was expensive.

Obviously you don't like the fact that I consider what you are doing to be wrong and that you are attempting to justify it based on cost or availability. This argument can be used for all sorts of things and the only time people think it is morally fine is with content made available without copyright owners permission.

Your arguments I believe are all invalid. There are a number of films that I can't get via NowTV, Netflix or Amazon Prime - but I don't download them from torrents to get around this, I just don't bother to watch them - if they don't want to make them available in a way I consider justified by the cost then I won't bother with them.

Sky may show some content so even if pcoventry76 did pay for a day pass everyday he still wouldn't be able to watch most the content which is aired on the WWE network...

I had the same problem with NHL until premier sports became available on the web and Virgin..

And still don't get all content availabel.

Edited by mlmclaren (Mon 12-May-14 15:30:36)

Again, that is because the content owners are specifically not allowing it. My take is that if someone wants to block me from doing something then fine - I will go and do something else instead. They do own the content and if they choose to limit their audience then that is down to them.

These things are highly annoying. Personally I don't see why I should have to wait months after a US showing of a TV show to see it over here. But just because it frustrates me does not send me off to torrents to get it - they don't want me to have it, fine, I won't.

I do not have any sort of human right to access entertainment but the people that own the content do seem to have rights in law to control access to it. I choose not to break those copyright laws - others choose to break them. I don't really care they choose to break them but I really hate when people try to justify it.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-May-14 15:58:45)

Fair enough

PS - I'll ask someone else to repost this so that you can see it.

I am assuming you didn't read most of my posts where I stated I don't care that you are doing it just that you are using all sorts of poor excuses to justify it. Anyway, you aren't reading this so it doesn't matter.

Edited by deleted (Mon 12-May-14 16:39:27)

So you've finally admitted that you use your connection to get content you shouldn't. As you stated yourself "a bit sad".

Better report me for replying to one of your posts as you don't seem to like me doing so!

For some reason the Plus.Net word is linked...

Edited by deleted (Wed 14-May-14 00:06:08)

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That's not English.

It is now!

Seemed perfectly cromulent to me.

Very clever....Cromulent an neologism that has yet to reach a dictionary.

It's totally embiggened...