In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

And any proof of this statement beyond a soggy beer mat?

g.fast in 2015 as a live product really

got email from BT PD Wales & The Marches NGA that coming soon it will be FTTC 120/30 as BT are pushing the speed sometimes next year which it good news as the trial are going very well with vectoring and G.Fast. BT want the new product 120/30 when BT Sports take over Sky as a new Champion League for 2015/16 season. But, BT say it will be available around 25% who got the higher speed 80/20 will getting 120/30 next year. For those who live much closer to the cabinet up to 100m away.

After a little break he's back

Funny how a BT regional director chooses to inform some random member of the public of this while CPs are nonethewiser, and how said person obsessively copied fairly disinteresting emails allegedly from Liv Garfield to all and sundry but kept a major product development to themselves and indeed deleted the email in question.

Still thanks for brightening up a stressful Friday a little.

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

I've just obtained a "4K" 3840x2160 .mov video file compressed at 64Mbps VBR and it's unplayable on my machines even though I have the codec installed. So as well as increased bandwidth for streaming one is going to have to upgrade hardware even for 20 to 30Mbps "4K" stuff?

Can't you just watch them on Youtube?

No I watch "4K" stuff uploaded to vimeo.com and they transcode to 1080p ~5Mbps AVC (x264) for online playback, although I can download members' "4K" original source files from that site - please link to a YT video at 3840x2160

Edit: OK I found one uploaded to YT 3 weeks ago, presumably transcoded to VP9, and it streamed at about 11Mbps...

Edited by 4M2 (Fri 27-Jun-14 19:59:51)

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

And particularly as BT Wholesale charge the same price on all markets for their WBC FTTC products.

£16+VAT does look unsustainable.

Individual providers are able to negotiate pricing deals, and it may be that PlusNet has one, not unlike EE with their 'network area' pricing.

If that is the case why do PlusNet charge a extra £7.50 for Market 1 and do other ISP's also charge more? Interested because I should be getting FTTC next year and want to know if any of the prices I see will be available to me.

In reply to a post by astateoftrance:

If that is the case why do PlusNet charge a extra £7.50 for Market 1 and do other ISP's also charge more?

Plusnet's charges with the extra £7.50 are broadly comparable with most other ISPs, so it is more that they charge £7.50 less for non-Market 1 exchanges.

Well the end result is the same and there's still the question of why if the wholesale cost to them is the same.

Why bother with such high resolution?

Because even on 1080p it often looks better than the HD version.

If you had seen an uncompressed stream from a broadcast camera you would appreciate just how much quality is lost in the encoding/decoding phases.

I can't watch any of these with out the video stuttering https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD33E56187402...

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

I can't watch any of these with out the video stuttering https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD33E56187402...

Can you play this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHvuHj5ssEc - it might be at a lower bit rate using the latest VP9 codec - I can just about play it with Firefox on my ~13000Kbps downstream sync?

Graphics card and PC speed will be a factor with rendering and handling any downsizing needed.

Remember frame rate issues back in 2001 when the first 2 Mbps streams from Apple Quicktime trailers were around.