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Thanks for the link  .
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I expect this was the reason - and also meets the new European rules for power consumption when on standby If the old one didn't they'd be breaching the EU based regulations for new customers.
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Integrated Gigabit switch with 4 x 10/100 (Fast not Gig) ports
What's the use of a Gigabit switch that you can't use?
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So you can simultaneously use multiple ports at full speed to give an total simultaneous transfer rate of > 100mbps?
jelv
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So you can simultaneously use multiple ports at full speed to give an total simultaneous transfer rate of > 100mbps?
I guess so.
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My home network is gigabit and I currently have a gigabit router and two gigabit switches. I'd have no use for their new router unless it handled VDSL in which case I could just use it as an internet gateway and DHCP server.
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Integrated Gigabit switch with 4 x 10/100 (Fast not Gig) ports
What's the use of a Gigabit switch that you can't use?
Someone has gleaned a chipset specification not intended for the end-user and which only makes sense for the router manufacturer. It means the manufacturer can use the integrated 10/100 ports, or take advantage of the option to add their own Gigabit ports without needing an extra switch. Since this router does the former, the internal specification is therefore indeed useless/meaningless to the end-user.
It does not refer to backplane capacity of the switch - these modern, small consumer switches are all usually capable of line speed on all ports simultaneously, so if it said 100 Mbps switch there would be no practical difference.
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Integrated Gigabit switch with 4 x 10/100 (Fast not Gig) ports
Surely this can cope with 80/20 FTTC but what happen if BTO increase from 80/20 to 120/20 in future mean 4 x 10/100 will be no benefit!
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You wouldn't be able to get full speed via a single port but you would be able to if you had devices connected to more than one (ie 2 PCs connected at 100Mb to a gigabit switch would be able to swamp a 120Mb connection).
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Not if the router to modem connection is only 100mbps!
jelv
Plusnet user since November 2001 - not sure for how much longer
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if the 120mbps was split between both simultaneously they would though.
or do you mean if the VDSL Modem was to be pumping 120/20 through its Gigabit port to one of the fast ports... If so then that wouldn't work!
Edited by mlmclaren (Tue 27-Jan-15 10:55:31)
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At least they haven't scrapped the VDSL Modems.... I can't stand cheap, restrictive ISP modem router combo's...
BT HH5 is probably one of the worst things to happen to Infinity
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I haven't seen the specs of that part. There is a gigabit switch with 4 10/100 ports. I haven't seen anything that specifies how fast the WAN connection connects to the switch.
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From what I read last week, the WAN port for VDSL is just one of the LAN ports, and the built in modem is for ADSL only.
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Ah, so it converts a LAN port to the WAN port? In which case, yes, it would be impossible to run the WAN at above 100Mbps. Will be an issue for a lot of routers if/when BT start driving FTTC at higher speeds.
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At which point a premium router option will appear perhaps.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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Indeed. Don't think I need to worry yet as even with the expected changes coming in the next few years my FTTC isn't likely to break 100Mb/s. So, unless I move or BT make FTTPoD available and relatively attractive then I'll be fine...
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At which point a premium router option will appear perhaps. Probably have to. As I mentioned above I think this is just a stop-gap to comply with the EU standby power consumption regulations. It certainly isn't a tempter based on its technology.
I'd rather an ISP makes it easy to use your own kit should you want more than what they offer. Plusnet do that.
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I'd rather an ISP makes it easy to use your own kit should you want more than what they offer. Plusnet do that.
My son-in-law has a suitably specced Netgear router and try as hard as we can it just will not connect via the PN supplied modem. And the new router does not appear to have a USB port either. It all seems to be lowest common denominator nowadays based on price and costs.
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The modem supplied is likely the same openreach modem as supplied on most FTTC connections. If that is the case then it is probably something wrong with the config of the netgear router rather than anything specifically with the PlusNet connection.
As far as USB ports go they are possibly a nice to have if you want to share a USB hard drive but personally I would go with a proper network NAS or other storage solution rather than use a USB port on a router.
And when a router if free and only costs P&P then I wouldn't expect anything other than something that does the basic job.
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My son-in-law has a suitably specced Netgear router and try as hard as we can it just will not connect via the PN supplied modem.
If you have been supplied a modem then that's by Openreach because you have FTTC. My betting is that your router is an ADSL one and that is why it isn't working. You need what's commonly called a cable router (in fact a plain router rather than a modem/router).
What model router is it?
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Please forgive me if I use the wrong terminology as I am not very technical. When I got FTTC last July I went with BT which worked out well because I ended up with a BT Boost engineer visiting after the dreaded Contractor visit to get me up and running properly. As a result I have a BT Home Hub 5 which seems to work well. However if I've got this right the Home Hub 5 combines modem and router in a single unit for fibre broadband.
If when my 12 month contract with BT is up I want to consider moving to another ISP like PlusNet what technical changes would be needed? Would my whole set up need replacement?
I am grateful for any advice you can offer.
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You've got the information in your post correct sfaik.
BT supply the HH5 which is a combined modem / router. Either the modem supports ADSL and VDSL (Infinity/FTTC) or there are two modems - I don't have one and don't know the details.
On Plusnet FTTC I got an Openreach modem and opted to use my own router. Neither the old nor new Plusnet router has an inbuilt VDSL modem so if you switched to Plusnet you'd need either an Openreach modem + a router or a combined VDSL modem/router which Plusnet don't supply. How they'd provide that I have no idea unless they arranged for an engineer install which would otherwise not be required as you are already connected to your local fibre street cabinet.
My bet would be they would arrange the engineer install though.
Edited by kwikbreaks (Tue 27-Jan-15 16:24:30)
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If you went with plusnet, just the username and password from plusnet would need to be entered into the hh5, then carry on, the person who came to connect me never got to unpack their kit No need for the open reach modem etc.
Just keep the kit plusnet give you!
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There are a number of PlusNet customers using BT HH5 units on FTTC so it does work.
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Don't you have to pay BT for the non-return of the HH5 though?
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Thank you all for the advice so far.
As regards any charge by BT for the Home Hub 5 I was assuming (probably a bad thing to do with BT) that if I stay with them for my contracted 12 months there would be no charge. Thank you for the pointer.
However I can check that with BT and if there is a charge I can factor that in to calculating any costs/ savings of a change of ISP.
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No charge so long as you remain for the minimum term
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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If the HH5 doesn't cost you as Mr S says then the switch to PN would be easy enough. I'm guessing if you went to Sky or TT they'd provide a VDSL modem/router anyway.
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If you move to PlusNet they should provide a (feeble but adequate) router and Openreach should supply a modem. (Those rules may well change later.)
You would then have the choice of using just HH5 as modem/router as you probably do now, Openreach modem + HH5 as router, or Openreach modem + PlusNet router.
Just HH5 is easiest and has just one device running, but some people find it does not give as good a VDSL connection as the Openreach modem. If you are satisfied with they way it behaves as a modem on BT, it will still be exactly the same on PlusNet.
I had Openreach modem + HH3 when I moved. I kept that configuration as it saved bothering with any new wireless configuration. I think the HH3 and my (previous version) PlusNet router are probably about equally feeble, but quite adequate for me. Unless you are feeling very philanthropic, turn off the BT Fon on your HH5 if you had it on for BT.
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Edited by StephenTodd (Tue 27-Jan-15 18:10:56)
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The PlusNet router is optional but if you take it you have to pay P&P (about £5.95 I believe). PlusNet actually have no obligation to provide a router and some ISPs don't (although they tend to be the services designed for more technical users).
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Do the Openreach modems support anything above 100Mbps? I thought they only had 10/100Mbps ports.
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Do the Openreach modems support anything above 100Mbps? I thought they only had 10/100Mbps ports.
My Openreach Huawei modem is linked to my Asus at 100 Mbps full duplex - and the Asus has a GigE WAN port.
My only concern is that devices with only 100mb (fast ethernet) ports may not be designed to run at the full 100 speed .
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If you migrate from BT to plusnet or any other ISP there would be no need for BT openreach to visit your home as long as you have a compatible modem (excluding TT &Sky)as they supply their own locked solution, But if you are being charged for a engineer install as plusnet still do if you don't also take their line rental(FTTC only) you may as well let them send an engineer,
Unless they will wave that hefty unnecessary £50 install/activation fee? As from November 2014 CP-CP GEA Migration - same product/premises is £11.00 instead of the previous £50.00 fee
And there is no longer a 12mth min term charged by BT to ISP's from Zen's forums "migration of a Fibre service between providers (i.e. after the initial 12 month contract with the original provider); not to the initial provision of a Fibre service."
Nice to see ISP's passing this on to customers eh? Although there are a few that quite rightly don't charge the install fee for FTTC migrations Conditions for Generic Ethernet Access
Schedule 2B � GEA-FTTC Service
Page 10 of 10 Dated: 6 January 2015
The minimum period of service for the GEA-FTTC Service to an individual Site is either:
(a) 12 months commencing on the date of provision of the GEA-FTTC Service; or
(b) where the GEA-FTTC Service is provided via a �CP to CP GEA migration�, 1 month commencing on the date of provision of the GEA-FTTC Service.
If the Communications Provider terminates the GEA-FTTC Service before the end of the minimum period of service other than under clause 2.2(a) or 2.8 of the Conditions, the Communications Provider shall pay BT the rental for the unexpired portion of the minimum period of service in addition to the appropriate Service Hold to Term charge as set out in the Openreach Price List.
Edited by tommy45 (Thu 29-Jan-15 04:31:06)
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Not sure of model from 20 miles away (!) but we read all the specs and it had a WAN socket for connection to a separate modem. Irritating nevertheless but I might feel inclinded to offer him 20 quid for it as it is far better than a Technicolor!
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And when a router if free and only costs P&P then I wouldn't expect anything other than something that does the basic job.
True but it would be nice if PN would subsidise something better at say, £50 rather than a retail£100. Maybe the reality is that most would still opt for "free" !
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I think you're right and that most would opt for free. People that want better will likely just buy their own anyway. The annoying ISPs are those that only allow you to use their router (like Sky).
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Yes, its human nature! The good news is that son-in-law-has just texted me to say that he has got the Netgear router working with fibre and is v happy. The only problem now is that he does not know what he did to it. Shades of infinite monkeys typing Shakespear but I guess it goes down as a win!
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I wouldn't be paying P & P for something i wouldn't use or didn't need free or not
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It's a good idea to have a spare working (and tested) router in case your normal one plays up or fails completey.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.2/15.3Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4 BQM IPv6 BQM
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