In reply to a post by zyborg47:

. . . so they are willing to lose a customer that have been with them for a few years. . .

And the rationale behind retaining a customer who is a high-cost option or losing the customer and saving the costs is flawed? Once again you reinforce the point that you do not understand business although no doubt the bubble in which you and your mates down the pub or across the street exist will see you as one of the informed gurus of this world.

"would be nice to have 87/27 rather than 79/19. "

And how does your web browsing and sending of emails benefit from the very small increase in speed?

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In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I am going to phone Plusnet tomorrow and see what they can offer...

Good luck, hopefully PN retentions/sales will offer you something acceptable.

Sorry to break the chain of conversation but your last comment , was it in jest? I ask because our wonderful govt are wanting to remove CASH and replace with a PROGRAMMABLE digital version of it, the EU is also doing this This will require a digital ID system facial recognition and ZERO privacy , This IMO can NEVER end well for us , coupled with the 15min neighbourhoods like Oxford bath and Cambridge aka LTN's, This is not conspiracy Look it up on the govt website there is a consultation ongoing right now CBDC

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In reply to a post by dect:

Just stating a fact, your anti establishment mindset is sadly holding you back, you have proved that time after time. Even saying what I have I still think you are an extremely genuine guy

Really? umm. the way you said, it was as if he only works in a warehouse, so he is nothing. A few years ago one of our cleaners and I were chatting about something, and he came up with what do I know I am only a cleaner, talking about himself and I replied, but you are important, you are still part of the cog. Plenty of people working in supermarkets that have been to university and have degrees. I am a qualified pastry chef, but after years of doing it, could not cope with the stress, I thought working in a supermarket would be less stressful, umm.

Anti-establishment? If you say so, more that I don't like being pushed into things, or maybe I don't like following the sheep. I will change if I want to change and if it suits me.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I wouldn't want facts to spoil a good argument, but the pricing of 40/10 FTTC and FTTP is set by OFCOM, not Openreach.

The regulated pricing for 40/10 FTTP is actually £1.96+VAT per month *more* expensive than for FTTC. OFCOM allows this to reflect the increased value of FTTP to the customer (e.g. higher reliability, and stable line speeds which are not distance related)

References:
* FTTP pricing: 40/10 £193.04 per year, 80/20 £242.28 per year (in fact 115/20 is the same)
* FTTC (SOGEA) pricing: 40/10 £169.44 per year, 80/20 £238.80 per year

Therefore, if the ISPs are pushing FTTP, it's not because of the raw price but the indirect cost savings (fewer support calls, fewer complaints about low speeds, fewer engineer visits). Also, once someone is on FTTP it becomes easier to upsell higher speeds, which are much more profitable.

There are also the Equinox 1/2 offers, but that primarily affects the less regulated pricing of the higher speeds.

I thought Ofcom set a minimum price? Ofcom is a waste of time anyway.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

And the rationale behind retaining a customer who is a high-cost option or losing the customer and saving the costs is flawed? Once again you reinforce the point that you do not understand business although no doubt the bubble in which you and your mates down the pub or across the street exist will see you as one of the informed gurus of this world.

Money is money in this day and age and with one million people cancelling broadband, I thought they would want to keep customers. If they were not making another money at all from me staying on FTTC, then I would understand, but they must be making a bit of a profit from me.

Seems like Plusnet want to keep me as a customer as they have asked me to private message them, not really worth it as I doubt they will move on the issue.

Funny you say about being down the pub, I was there yesterday and talking to some friends and they are on Talk Talk at the moment out of contract, they were going to phone them up to see if they could get a better deal, but I said to look at Zzoomm instead. According to Talk talk we don't have openreach FTTP. So today they are going to order Zzoomm. and when it is installed will cancel Talk Talk. As for people across the street, I don't talk to them, I talk to one of my next door neighbours and one a couple of doors down.

I almost talked myself into getting Zzoomm yesterday when talking about it.

I believe Ofcom set a minimum on some products so that OpenReach can't undercut and drive out competition (at least that was their goal). I don't think it covers all products as some products are considered to already have a competitive market and therefore don't need regulation.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

Sorry to break the chain of conversation but your last comment , was it in jest? I ask because our wonderful govt are wanting to remove CASH and replace with a PROGRAMMABLE digital version of it, the EU is also doing this This will require a digital ID system facial recognition and ZERO privacy , This IMO can NEVER end well for us , coupled with the 15min neighbourhoods like Oxford bath and Cambridge aka LTN's, This is not conspiracy Look it up on the govt website there is a consultation ongoing right now CBDC

Not sure what this has to do with broadband. I have seen this before, I doubt it will happen for many years if at all, a lot of people already pay by card anyway, I use Cash when I can., but sometimes I get a funny look for some reason as if it is a crime to use cash.

the 15 minute thing i have not really taken much notice off, so not sure what it is about.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

I wouldn't want facts to spoil a good argument, but the pricing of 40/10 FTTC and FTTP is set by OFCOM, not Openreach.

The regulated pricing for 40/10 FTTP is actually £1.96+VAT per month *more* expensive than for FTTC. OFCOM allows this to reflect the increased value of FTTP to the customer (e.g. higher reliability, and stable line speeds which are not distance related)

References:
* FTTP pricing: 40/10 £193.04 per year, 80/20 £242.28 per year (in fact 115/20 is the same)
* FTTC (SOGEA) pricing: 40/10 £169.44 per year, 80/20 £238.80 per year

Therefore, if the ISPs are pushing FTTP, it's not because of the raw price but the indirect cost savings (fewer support calls, fewer complaints about low speeds, fewer engineer visits). Also, once someone is on FTTP it becomes easier to upsell higher speeds, which are much more profitable.

There are also the Equinox 1/2 offers, but that primarily affects the less regulated pricing of the higher speeds.

I thought Ofcom set a minimum price? Ofcom is a waste of time anyway.

It's both a minimum and a maximum. Openreach can neither charge below nor above that for the regulated 40/10 services.

Clearly they can't sell below that price for higher speeds either, or that would allow them to circumvent the minimum price.

The point is, Openreach do charge more for FTTP than FTTC.

Of course, Openreach and Plusnet are both owned by BT Group. Hence you could argue Plusnet enticing customers over to FTTP could relate more to overall BT Group priorities, than what Plusnet might do if it were independent. But there are plenty of non-BT Group ISPs you can choose - and I don't think many of those will still be pushing legacy connections in areas where FTTP is available.