In reply to a post by jelv:

I don't think you can put it down to a specific area as it's possible that some exchanges were only partially affected. BT have claimed only 9,000 users were affected which is obviously nonsense as Plusnet's users on-line graph shows around 25,000 of their users lost connection (they also have substantial numbers of users on IPSC).

Thanks, jelv. It makes you wonder why BT have to be so "economical with the truth" !

Wagstaff

To cover up the massive lack of fault tolerance on their network 21cn my [censored]

In reply to a post by Rich44:

To cover up the massive lack of fault tolerance on their network 21cn my [censored]

Well said !! We've come to rely on the Internet as almost another utility, and yet the main infrastructure is left in the hands of a company that seemingly couldn't care less about ISPs and their customers.

Wagstaff

Some of the LLU networks are similarly unreliable; Be*'s has been far more up/down for me in the past 6 months than C&W was in a year...

I'm supposed to rest assured that "it's being fixed guys, seriously, it's fine", but don't think the wobbly infrastructure is a BT only thing.

In reply to a post by blueacid:

Some of the LLU networks are similarly unreliable

Do LLU operators own the local loop - the physical wire connection between the local exchange and the customer's premises?

Wagstaff

No. LLU is local loop unbundling so the original owner still owns it (in this case BT of some flavour) and allows other carriers to use it.

Riiight so because your ISP has been flaky for you it means their infrastructure is wobbly does it? I think not

Nah they just rent the copper

In reply to a post by Rich44:

Nah they just rent the copper

Exactly.
So we can't get away from BTW involvement in the Uk's Internet connections - unless you can afford satellite !! And when BTW fails then the whole system is put in jeopardy.
IMO there should be safeguards in place to re-route traffic when nodes on the network fail. But do BTW really care ?!!

Wagstaff

Noticed how many routing issues people on Be* or O2 have reported lately? Can connect to some sites, not others?

I've noticed it far more on Be* than I ever did on C&W. The line and sync stays constant throughout so my local loop is innocent in all of that.