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Standard User vimto_girl
(committed) Wed 26-Aug-15 22:59:02
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Re: Any news on new packages?


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The trouble with publishing selective analyses of statistical data, such as "2014 Ofcom data from across providers shows a mean of 91GB usage per month for FTTC users and rising, and about a quarter of users exceed the mean" is that most people associate "the mean" with the mid-point of a Normal distribution.
Of course, silly me! I should have known most people on reading "a quarter of users exceed the mean" would understand this to mean half of users exceed the mean! And in a normal distribution, what else lol wink
Standard User vimto_girl
(committed) Wed 26-Aug-15 23:04:24
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The likes of BT can sell unlimited at their price point because they have millions of granny type users who use about 100kb a month.
Yep, all those grannies who flocked to sign up to unlimited FTTC right wink ? If AAISP lifted the lid I'd think the usage profile and mean or total usage would be broadly similar to BT FTTC.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 26-Aug-15 23:27:26
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Of course, silly me! I should have known most people on reading "a quarter of users exceed the mean" would understand this to mean half of users exceed the mean! And in a normal distribution, what else lol wink
Heh smile.

Try again. The mean is nothing to do with the number of users or values each side of it. So exactly the point I'm making. It isn't a normal distribution.

A simple numerical example. 10 users at 90GB and 30 users at 10GB.

What are the axes? Presumably the usage is the "y". What is the "x"?

Or is the number of users the "y"? Then the "x" becomes the usage?

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
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Edited by RobertoS (Wed 26-Aug-15 23:48:16)


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Standard User vimto_girl
(committed) Thu 27-Aug-15 06:00:52
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Itís straightforward and clear: the mean usage is 91GB and around a quarter of users exceed the mean.

It obviously isnít a normal distribution with 91GB at the midpoint if a quarter of users exceed 91GB ! So the point is: why on earth do you believe most people would think otherwise? It doesnít make any sense, people arenít that stupid.

(Far from hiding something by only specifying the mean, there is insight into the distribution that usefully answers the Q: Ďyes, but how many people actually used >91GB ?í)
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 27-Aug-15 11:57:40
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I think you either forget or didn't reach the final paragraph of the original post that upset you. Thus losing the whole point.

I maintain that the statement you made, (or possibly quoted), is misleading to most people and a view of a graph would be more understandable.

The vast majority of the populace haven't a clue what we are arguing about. They don't know anything at all about statistics. The statement in your post is only of interest to those that do, and to them isn't much help either due to the number of ways the condition could arise.

The only possible reaction is "So? Please can we have more meaningful information". Wildly different usage patterns of statistical significance could be causing the "25% exceed the mean" result.

The indispensable man or woman passes from the scene, and what happens next is more or less the same thing as was happening before.
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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 27-Aug-15 13:47:37
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and you may be right, but that will be down to the packages AAISP sell.

if they sold unlimited packages at anything near the BT consumer price point, they would probably attract a unhealthy balance of heavy users which would crash it down.

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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Thu 27-Aug-15 22:18:12
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They don't know anything at all about statistics.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.


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Standard User Pipexer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-Sep-15 20:59:47
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Any news yet? I have been really impressed with your service over the past 1.5 years but I have once again gone over the 200GB limit this month and feel like the price difference is quite considerable compared to the likes of Zen Internet etc.

200GB can get used up quite easily by a family of 3-4 doing a mix of gaming and video streaming.

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Standard User ZenUserJP
(member) Sun 27-Sep-15 21:44:22
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Any news yet? I have been really impressed with your service over the past 1.5 years but I have once again gone over the 200GB limit this month and feel like the price difference is quite considerable compared to the likes of Zen Internet etc.

200GB can get used up quite easily by a family of 3-4 doing a mix of gaming and video streaming.


It is - Zen is £46,99 for the 80/20 service less for 40/10.

I hope they bring out new packages too - their TS is what I would like if they had a decent package
Standard User Spud2003
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 28-Sep-15 22:51:25
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Take a look at the comments from Mark. J on these two threads(nothing definitive, but strong hints)-

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php/33995...

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/talk/showthread.php/33909...
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