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Standard User E300
(committed) Sat 30-Apr-22 09:50:48
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Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


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Just joined AAISP and found an interesting routing difference to Mauritius Telecom server in London. With other ISPs I've used ping is around 8ms, hitting a server somewhere in London.

AAISP is coming in at 227ms, and seems to go via Johannesburg, just wondering what is happening to cause that? What are others seeing doing a tracert or ping to 197.227.5.218?

Via AAISP

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Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops
   1     6 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  pfSense.localdomain [192.168.1.1]
  2     6 ms     7 ms     7 ms  y.witless.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.134]  3     7 ms     7 ms     9 ms  g.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.47]
  4     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  8-1-1.ear1.London2.Level3.net [217.163.102.225]  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.  7   200 ms   206 ms   200 ms  be2385.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.40.94]
  8   227 ms   227 ms   227 ms  206.249.0.154  9   227 ms   227 ms   227 ms  197.226.230.42
 10   227 ms   227 ms   238 ms  197.226.230.8 11   227 ms   227 ms   227 ms  197.227.5.218


Via a work connection

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Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops
   1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  *
  2     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  *  3     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  *
  4     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  *  5     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  *
  6     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  be42973-10.man1.pag.gb.m247.com [164.39.60.82]  7     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms  hu0-0-0-3.man1.agg1.gb.m247.com [217.138.224.20]
  8     3 ms     3 ms     4 ms  hu0-0-1-0.man1.edg.gb.m247.com [217.138.224.17]  9     3 ms     4 ms     3 ms  xe-0-4-0-7.r02.londen03.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [83.231.235.229]
 10     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  ae-12.r20.londen12.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.191] 11    24 ms    13 ms     9 ms  ae-13.a03.londen12.uk.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.249]
 12     *        9 ms     *     195.219.23.72 13     8 ms    10 ms     8 ms  if-ae-66-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net [80.231.60.144]
 14     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  195.219.83.158 15     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms  197.227.5.218
Standard User mr_bean
(member) Sun 01-May-22 18:02:23
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
If it's any consolation TalkTalk is the same

traceroute to 197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 _gateway (192.168.101.250) 0.575 ms 0.547 ms 0.609 ms
2 78.144.1.11 (78.144.1.11) 3.789 ms 3.746 ms 3.647 ms
3 78.144.1.10 (78.144.1.10) 7.928 ms 7.964 ms 7.896 ms
4 * * *
5 * * *
6 * * *
7 154.54.80.202 (154.54.80.202) 184.614 ms 154.54.88.222 (154.54.88.222) 184.206 ms 154.54.88.206 (154.54.88.206) 183.754 ms
8 206.249.0.154 (206.249.0.154) 227.830 ms 228.183 ms 210.351 ms
9 196.20.225.50 (196.20.225.50) 228.284 ms 196.20.225.94 (196.20.225.94) 228.807 ms 228.923 ms
10 197.226.230.50 (197.226.230.50) 228.659 ms 197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218) 227.783 ms 209.653 ms



AAISP hands over to Level3 at hop 4, so Level3 is presumably advertising what looks like the best route.

Edited by mr_bean (Sun 01-May-22 18:03:24)

Standard User jpm
(experienced) Sun 01-May-22 18:32:52
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: mr_bean] [link to this post]
 
Same with BT - goes to Cogent and then to SA.

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Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops
   1    90 ms     3 ms     2 ms  192.168.1.254
  2     6 ms     6 ms     5 ms  172.16.11.199  3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  4    11 ms     9 ms    11 ms  62.172.102.70  5    10 ms     9 ms     9 ms  core3-hu0-14-0-6.faraday.ukcore.bt.net [62.172.103.49]
  6    11 ms    12 ms     9 ms  166-49-209-132.gia.bt.net [166.49.209.132]  7    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  166-49-209-131.gia.bt.net [166.49.209.131]
  8   127 ms    12 ms    11 ms  be3487.ccr41.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.60.5]  9    11 ms    10 ms    11 ms  be2870.ccr22.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.58.174]
 10   185 ms   187 ms   186 ms  be2389.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.202] 11   190 ms   188 ms   187 ms  206.249.0.154
 12   231 ms   232 ms   231 ms  196.20.225.96 13   238 ms   230 ms   230 ms  197.227.5.218


I've never known M247 to operate a particularly good network so the performance of this server looks to be more of a fluke of using NTT than a conscious decision.

Edit: You can run a traceroute from each of the major providers' networks, just search for their looking glass tool:

https://www.cogentco.com/en/looking-glass
https://www.gin.ntt.net/looking-glass/
https://lookingglass.centurylink.com/

Both NTT and Lumen have that server down as being in London, Cogent get there by going via Johannesburg,

Edited by jpm (Sun 01-May-22 18:40:45)


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Standard User john_nethead
(newbie) Sun 01-May-22 18:35:09
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
Some big pauses on a Zen connection as well.
Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms server.xxxx.private [192.168.12.101]
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms router.xxxx.private [192.168.12.1]
3 24 ms 18 ms 16 ms lo0-0.bng4.thn-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.77.132]
4 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms lag-14.p2.thn-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.96]
5 17 ms 16 ms 21 ms lag-2.br1.thn-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.167]
6 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms ldn-b3-link.ip.twelve99.net [213.248.84.100]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 193 ms 193 ms 195 ms be2385.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.40.94]
9 256 ms 257 ms 258 ms 206.249.0.154
10 465 ms 463 ms 465 ms 197.226.230.50
11 468 ms 469 ms 468 ms 197.226.230.4
12 470 ms 470 ms 468 ms 197.227.5.218

Trace complete.
ISP Representative aquiss
(isp) Sun 01-May-22 18:35:34
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The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
ISP Representative aquiss
(isp) Sun 01-May-22 18:36:25
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
I just thought I would see the route we take here at Aquiss. Seems a bit more logical.

Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 13 ms 12 ms 14 ms lns4.inx.dsl.enta.net [78.33.253.11]
3 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms 100.bundle-ether2.inx.dsl.enta.net [78.33.253.1]
4 13 ms * 25 ms bundle-ether1.interxion3.core.enta.net [188.39.127.242]
5 13 ms 13 ms 13 ms bundle-ether100.telehouse-east4.core.enta.net [188.39.127.102]
6 * 12 ms 13 ms 172.30.1.24
7 14 ms 14 ms 25 ms 212.187.195.89
8 * 13 ms * 195.219.23.10
9 15 ms 13 ms 13 ms if-ae-66-2.tcore1.ldn-london.as6453.net [80.231.60.144]
10 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms 195.219.83.158
11 16 ms 13 ms 14 ms 197.227.5.218

Trace complete.


Martin Pitt
Company Founder
Aquiss Limited
https://www.aquiss.net

FTTC, FTTP, GEA, EFM, Leased Lines, Telecoms and Hosting
The above post has been made by an ISP REPRESENTATIVE (although not necessarily the ISP being discussed in the post).
Standard User billford
(elder) Sun 01-May-22 19:36:14
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
via IDNet:

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traceroute to 197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  rt-ac66u_b1-0208 (192.168.1.1)  0.621 ms  0.414 ms  0.347 ms 2  telehouse-gw10-10g.idnet.net (212.69.63.54)  14.832 ms  14.697 ms  14.425 ms
 3  212.69.63.136 (212.69.63.136)  26.364 ms  14.951 ms  14.462 ms 4  195.66.227.71 (195.66.227.71)  15.433 ms  15.463 ms  15.660 ms
 5  197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218)  14.752 ms  15.608 ms  14.962 ms



eta- on FTTC, DLM has decided I deserve interleave for some reason, damn thing does that now and then frown

Bill

Edited by billford (Sun 01-May-22 19:59:41)

Standard User Tylexon
(learned) Mon 02-May-22 07:33:42
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
Just to add mine as I use AAISP's L2TP.

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Tracing route to 197.227.5.218 over a maximum of 30 hops
   1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.254
  2    23 ms    52 ms    44 ms  l2tp.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.19]  3    45 ms    51 ms    36 ms  g.aimless.thn.aa.net.uk [90.155.53.47]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  8-1-1.ear1.London2.Level3.net [217.163.102.225]  5    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  ae2.3204.ear2.London2.level3.net [4.69.143.194
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.  7   225 ms   214 ms   210 ms  be2385.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.40.94]
  8   311 ms   292 ms   280 ms  206.249.0.154  9   268 ms   268 ms   268 ms  196.20.225.96
 10   279 ms   261 ms   255 ms  197.227.5.218
Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Mon 02-May-22 08:17:44
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: Tylexon] [link to this post]
 
Via Cerberus:

$ traceroute 197.227.5.218
traceroute to 197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  gw2 (10.12.0.1)  0.810 ms  0.543 ms  0.306 ms
 2  thn-lns07-l6.cerberus.net.uk (46.37.48.1)  4.691 ms  6.770 ms  5.282 ms
 3  hex-gw06-te030-43.cerberus.net.uk (46.37.33.43)  5.486 ms  5.206 ms  5.144 ms
 4  te0-0-0-11.rcr21.b015534-1.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (149.14.248.185)  6.342 ms  5.778 ms  5.749 ms
 5  be2186.ccr22.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.61.70)  5.785 ms  5.970 ms
    be2185.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.61.62)  5.973 ms
 6  be2389.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.202)  198.969 ms
    be2489.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.222)  164.688 ms
    be2485.ccr51.jnb01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.206)  164.178 ms
 7  206.249.0.154 (206.249.0.154)  241.567 ms  241.564 ms  223.588 ms
 8  197.226.230.50 (197.226.230.50)  225.892 ms
    197.226.230.40 (197.226.230.40)  225.366 ms
    197.226.230.50 (197.226.230.50)  208.926 ms
 9  197.227.5.218 (197.227.5.218)  225.146 ms
    197.226.230.8 (197.226.230.8)  225.637 ms  226.007 ms


You can see the route announcements here:
https://bgp.he.net/ip/197.227.5.218

They are making a more specific route announcement of 197.227.5.0/24, which might be for their London network, or for "Anycast" services (which are supposed to hit the "nearest" server). But in order for this to work, they have to get their peers or upstreams in London to pick this up.

Maybe they have very few peers in London. Maybe they have configured route announcements wrongly. In any case, only Mauritius Telecom can fix this, so you need to raise it with your ISP and ask them to raise it with MT's NOC.
Standard User amiga_dude
(member) Mon 02-May-22 10:18:03
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Re: Routing differences, AAISP taking the scenic route


[re: E300] [link to this post]
 
Cogentco have been been issus with DDoS attacts, also this weekend there been some maintenance.

https://ecogent.cogentco.com/network-status

Now DDoS could be issue. Just ask you to join the dots if can.

https://news.abplive.com/news/world/internet-backbon...

Edited by amiga_dude (Mon 02-May-22 10:22:26)

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