New Limits..

10TB now on Home 1 - Nice one AAISP

In reply to a post by PC8S:

10TB now on Home 1 - Nice one AAISP

I got excited on reading this; but it's only with the £10 a month add-on. Otherwise it's 1TB.

In reply to a post by PC8S:

10TB now on Home 1 - Nice one AAISP

Things are never what they seem.....

Good news indeed. Hopefully they'll eventually, in the not too distant future, offer a faster L2TP service as well *fingers crossed*.

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In reply to a post by PC8S:

10TB now on Home 1 - Nice one AAISP

I got excited on reading this; but it's only with the £10 a month add-on. Otherwise it's 1TB.

It is -but even the basic Home 1 is going up to 1TB - The "they are not unlimited" argument is surely going away now no? 10TB is pretty much unlimited for most people these days.

In reply to a post by Ixel:

Good news indeed. Hopefully they'll eventually, in the not too distant future, offer a faster L2TP service as well *fingers crossed*.

I was looking at that L2TP service last night. I am hoping for more allowance and as you said a bit more speed - 200mbps is starting to fall behind I agree.

With roll overs I'm starting this month with almost 14.5TB, it is unlimited usage as far as I'm concerned and was even when it was 5TB.

In reply to a post by PC8S:

It is -but even the basic Home 1 is going up to 1TB - The "they are not unlimited" argument is surely going away now no? 10TB is pretty much unlimited for most people these days.

Sure, but the premise of your post was just misleading I thought. It isn't the Home 1 service that is going up to 10TB, it's the Home:1 + 5TB option service that is going up to 10TB.

For my usage I'd have been fine on the 5TB option, and that's in a house that usually has one or other or several displays streaming pretty much non stop during waking hours. But my usage is above the 1TB level (about 2-2.5TB/month), so I'd still find myself having to buy up the product range. Hence my reading of the post going from hero to zero once I looked at the detail - for me it represented no change...

In reply to a post by E300:

With roll overs I'm starting this month with almost 14.5TB, it is unlimited usage as far as I'm concerned and was even when it was 5TB.

That's excellent. I totally forgot about rollover - is it still 1/2 of whatever is left?

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In reply to a post by PC8S:

It is -but even the basic Home 1 is going up to 1TB - The "they are not unlimited" argument is surely going away now no? 10TB is pretty much unlimited for most people these days.

Sure, but the premise of your post was just misleading I thought. It isn't the Home 1 service that is going up to 10TB, it's the Home:1 + 5TB option service that is going up to 10TB.

For my usage I'd have been fine on the 5TB option, and that's in a house that usually has one or other or several displays streaming pretty much non stop during waking hours. But my usage is above the 1TB level (about 2-2.5TB/month), so I'd still find myself having to buy up the product range. Hence my reading of the post going from hero to zero once I looked at the detail - for me it represented no change...

Sorry - I just assumed most people go for the Home 1 + 5TB option.

In reply to a post by PC8S:

Sorry - I just assumed most people go for the Home 1 + 5TB option.

I'd hope not, and that they do have significant / majority of customers taking base package. If not they'd seem to be pretty close to the line against some of RevK's ramblings on advertising, price comparisons, etc.

I.e: it's hard to compare what a typical user's cost is likely to be with AAISP vs another ISP unless the typical user uses less than the originally 500GB / now 1TB limit, or they know their requirement. Most end users don't have any handle on what their broadband usage is.

In reply to a post by jimbof:

Most end users don't have any handle on what their broadband usage is.

I think you're right, I took the decision back in the summer of 2019 to record my monthly usage and to date I have not exceeded 1TB/month

Edited by deleted (Sat 01-Oct-22 11:16:28)

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That's excellent. I totally forgot about rollover - is it still 1/2 of whatever is left?

Yes it is half of the total unused that is rolled over including previous rolled over amounts. So if you are on 10TB and your first month you have 8TB left over, the next month you get 14TB (10 + 8/2). If you use only 2TB again, then the following month you get 16TB rolled over (10 + 12/2), so for most people they have an ever increasing allowance.

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In reply to a post by PC8S:

Sorry - I just assumed most people go for the Home 1 + 5TB option.

I'd hope not, and that they do have significant / majority of customers taking base package. If not they'd seem to be pretty close to the line against some of RevK's ramblings on advertising, price comparisons, etc.

I.e: it's hard to compare what a typical user's cost is likely to be with AAISP vs another ISP unless the typical user uses less than the originally 500GB / now 1TB limit, or they know their requirement. Most end users don't have any handle on what their broadband usage is.

Agreed but does AAISP not show you usage? it must do in order to know how much to roll over? This is why I am hoping to get a bit higher on L2TP speed wise so I can try it out without trying the service - so I know what the actual system does.looks like

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In reply to a post by PC8S:

That's excellent. I totally forgot about rollover - is it still 1/2 of whatever is left?

Yes it is half of the total unused that is rolled over including previous rolled over amounts. So if you are on 10TB and your first month you have 8TB left over, the next month you get 14TB (10 + 8/2). If you use only 2TB again, then the following month you get 16TB rolled over (10 + 12/2), so for most people they have an ever increasing allowance.

I guess this came from a discussion about someone not using all their allowance? seems logical to start doing it if enough people starting to complain about losing allowance - especially when there is a high abelt fixed price every month.

Are you allowed to roll over the allowance and then switch back and forth between the 1TB and 10TB options on the account, while keeping the rolled over allowances? I'd find that useful as I'd roll over maybe 3TB each month, which would mean I'd probably only need to be on a 10TB service for 1 month in 3 or 4.

Edited by jimbof (Sat 01-Oct-22 13:19:02)

In reply to a post by PC8S:

Agreed but does AAISP not show you usage? it must do in order to know how much to roll over? This is why I am hoping to get a bit higher on L2TP speed wise so I can try it out without trying the service - so I know what the actual system does.looks like

It's a given I think that a metered service is going to provide some means to see the meter...! My point was relating to folk looking to switch to AAISP. It's not a given that it will be straightforward for broadband customers with other providers to be able to estimate their requirement (and hence make an informed switching decision).

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I guess this came from a discussion about someone not using all their allowance? seems logical to start doing it if enough people starting to complain about losing allowance - especially when there is a high abelt fixed price every month.

With the 5TB now 10TB packages I don't think for the majority of people the roll over provides much benefit as even if it didn't roll over each month there is still more than enough. To get a roll over you aren't using all the allowance in the first place. What it does mean though is the vast majority of customers have an increasing allowance and essentially never need to check usage and just treat it as unlimited.

The hard allowances do of course stop those people joining that would abuse the network by taking a disproportionate amount of it if it was unlimited.

In reply to a post by jimbof:

Are you allowed to roll over the allowance and then switch back and forth between the 1TB and 10TB options on the account, while keeping the rolled over allowances? I'd find that useful as I'd roll over maybe 3TB each month, which would mean I'd probably only need to be on a 10TB service for 1 month in 3 or 4.

Yes you can change the monthly quota for free starting from the following month. I'm not sure what happens to any already accrued allowance.

https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/home1/fttp-prices/

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In reply to a post by PC8S:

Agreed but does AAISP not show you usage? it must do in order to know how much to roll over? This is why I am hoping to get a bit higher on L2TP speed wise so I can try it out without trying the service - so I know what the actual system does.looks like

It's a given I think that a metered service is going to provide some means to see the meter...! My point was relating to folk looking to switch to AAISP. It's not a given that it will be straightforward for broadband customers with other providers to be able to estimate their requirement (and hence make an informed switching decision).

I agree, This is a good reason to maybe try the L2TP 24/7 for a month - after all most people going to AAISP will be tech savvy enough to possibly do that. I've signed up and put the details in my router as I am also keen to see what I use a month. I reckon 3.5-4.5TB in a heavy one. I've gone for the Business one which is 5TB a month

In reply to a post by E300:

In reply to a post by PC8S:

I guess this came from a discussion about someone not using all their allowance? seems logical to start doing it if enough people starting to complain about losing allowance - especially when there is a high abelt fixed price every month.

The hard allowances do of course stop those people joining that would abuse the network by taking a disproportionate amount of it if it was unlimited.

Fair enough - if someone wants to use their 10TB every month no one will have a problem with that. I believe the service is throttled with usage taken from the next month's allowance when the limit is reached?

That's the important question though. I don't have an option to use the 1TB service on an ongoing basis, as my usage would always be in excess. But equally, I don't need 10TB a month. If I have the option of building up a few months worth of 10TB rollover (which for me would probably be 4TB of rollover each month) then I'd only need to pay for the more expensive service a few months of the year. it would make quite a difference to the monthly cost for me.

In reply to a post by jimbof:

That's the important question though. I don't have an option to use the 1TB service on an ongoing basis, as my usage would always be in excess. But equally, I don't need 10TB a month. If I have the option of building up a few months worth of 10TB rollover (which for me would probably be 4TB of rollover each month) then I'd only need to pay for the more expensive service a few months of the year. it would make quite a difference to the monthly cost for me.

Two years ago there was a discussion about AAISP quotas (even though well off-topic) in this thread. At that time you could change between bands without any penalty or problem. There has been nothing to say that the policy has changed so you should be able to mix-and-match to get the most cost-effective service.

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

Two years ago there was a discussion about AAISP quotas (even though well off-topic) in this thread. At that time you could change between bands without any penalty or problem. There has been nothing to say that the policy has changed so you should be able to mix-and-match to get the most cost-effective service.

There is a throw-away remark here that implies it may not be straightforward:
https://www.aa.net.uk/broadband/quota/

At present there are a few restrictions changing to/from terabyte quotas, but we hope to remove these in future.

I did ask someone on the AAISP website chat, but they didn't know, and suggested I get back in touch Monday (which I plan to do).

Edited by jimbof (Sat 01-Oct-22 14:40:14)

In reply to a post by E300:

Yes it is half of the total unused that is rolled over including previous rolled over amounts. So if you are on 10TB and your first month you have 8TB left over, the next month you get 14TB (10 + 8/2). If you use only 2TB again, then the following month you get 16TB rolled over (10 + 12/2), so for most people they have an ever increasing allowance.

Although at a pure mathematical level it is "ever increasing" - it basically gets ever closer to 2 * (Quota - Usage). So the most it could ever reach is (almost) 2 * quota.

For me at 2.5TB usage a month that means I could flip back and forth either every month or 2 months and have enough quota in the bank to cover my usage (assuming you're allowed to roll over across different plans). If I waited 3 months the halving of the rollover would mean I'd no longer have enough banked to cover my usage.

From the AAISP website:

You can change quota/units at any time. The change takes effect from your next regular bill. Simply use our broadband order pages to request a change of quota/units. Note this is not possible in the early hours of the morning on the date you are billed, so ensure any change is done before midnight.

I dropped my AAISP quota recently, the accumulated quota is retained but rolls over at the normal quota remaining/2 rate.

Thanks, I just did this, I'm only using around 1.5TB/mo. I think I'm only going to need to have one month in 3 or so with the 10TB.

Seems like a 5TB quota would be useful here. Right now I have 18.4TB quota remaining. This is with 300M FTTP for the past 6 months.
The more quotas they offer, the closer it gets to being a units-based service!

I've just been switching mine back and forth. I can basically do 1 month on 10TB and 2 months on 1TB and still have a little bit left in the bank.
A bit annoying to have to keep doing though, but worth it to save £80 / year.