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Standard User Golfing
(learned) Mon 06-Feb-12 14:07:53
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Would using say Mullvad at 5 Euros per month get around BT's


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Would using say Mullvad at 5 Euros per month get around BT's peak time throttling of p2p?

Just signed up for BT Infiniti 2 but now am a little concerned about their peak time usage policy

Thanks in advance...
Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 06-Feb-12 17:05:36
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Cheaper to just set up your client software right and not have to worry at all.

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Standard User Golfing
(learned) Mon 06-Feb-12 20:07:52
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And how would i go about doing that please?


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Standard User stubert
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 17:10:45
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What client are you using???

If using Utorrent just put protocol encryption to forced.....
Standard User tommy45
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 07-Feb-12 18:13:13
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What client are you using???

If using Utorrent just put protocol encryption to forced.....
If only things where that simple , the only way to circumvent traffic shaping is by using a SSL link, usually in the form of a VPN service that allows P2P down &uploading, this also more importantly hides you IP address from those nasty con men (law firms) AKA andrew crossley and their predecessors , so you don't end up with letters demanding hundreds of pounds to make it go away

Alternatives are set the client sw to run outside peak times, and use only private trackers ,you will probably have to register with these first, and also be expected to seed back at least what you download, unless you choose to make a donation (payment ) to them, using a private tracker is more secure than using the likes of the pirate bay, but there is no guarantee that the tracker hasn't been infiltrated by your anti piracy police , or better still don't use p2p,

Standard User stubert
(newbie) Tue 07-Feb-12 20:43:39
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Ive had infinity for a few months now and have used this method and all works fine. As long as the seeds are there I have always gone at full speed at whatever time of day.
Personally I would not use anything other than a private tracker for the reasons you say, but you will have to register to these which can sometimes be difficult due to member limitations.
Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 11:56:56
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In reply to a post by tommy45:
In reply to a post by stubert:
What client are you using???

If using Utorrent just put protocol encryption to forced.....
If only things where that simple , the only way to circumvent traffic shaping is by using a SSL link, usually in the form of a VPN service that allows P2P down &uploading, this also more importantly hides you IP address from those nasty con men (law firms) AKA andrew crossley and their predecessors , so you don't end up with letters demanding hundreds of pounds to make it go away

Alternatives are set the client sw to run outside peak times, and use only private trackers ,you will probably have to register with these first, and also be expected to seed back at least what you download, unless you choose to make a donation (payment ) to them, using a private tracker is more secure than using the likes of the pirate bay, but there is no guarantee that the tracker hasn't been infiltrated by your anti piracy police , or better still don't use p2p,


This is all completely false.

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Standard User tommy45
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 12:44:12
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In reply to a post by orly:
In reply to a post by tommy45:
In reply to a post by stubert:
What client are you using???

If using Utorrent just put protocol encryption to forced.....
If only things where that simple , the only way to circumvent traffic shaping is by using a SSL link, usually in the form of a VPN service that allows P2P down &uploading, this also more importantly hides you IP address from those nasty con men (law firms) AKA andrew crossley and their predecessors , so you don't end up with letters demanding hundreds of pounds to make it go away

Alternatives are set the client sw to run outside peak times, and use only private trackers ,you will probably have to register with these first, and also be expected to seed back at least what you download, unless you choose to make a donation (payment ) to them, using a private tracker is more secure than using the likes of the pirate bay, but there is no guarantee that the tracker hasn't been infiltrated by your anti piracy police , or better still don't use p2p,


This is all completely false.

What is false exactly, care to enlighten us all ?

Standard User tommy45
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 13:33:43
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Ive had infinity for a few months now and have used this method and all works fine. As long as the seeds are there I have always gone at full speed at whatever time of day.
Personally I would not use anything other than a private tracker for the reasons you say, but you will have to register to these which can sometimes be difficult due to member limitations.
When you say that you have used this method and it works fine
Did you mean set the protocol to encrypted and this alone?

if that is the case then something on their part isn't configured correctly, ,or isn't working correctly, unless it works differently to all other traffic shaping used by other isp's who implement it

As with plenty of other isp's who throttle p2p it's very clear that this has no effect on speeds even bt's adsl it has no effect,

Standard User stubert
(newbie) Wed 08-Feb-12 16:44:16
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Yes, When I was on Sky LLU this was never a problem. Since having Infinity all I have altered on Utorrent is set the outgoing protocol encryption to forced. I also have "allow incoming legacy connections" ticked but cannot remember if this was already in place before migrating?

As I have said this has worked for me perfectly and have hit speeds of over 4MB/s at any time of the day.

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Standard User tommy45
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 17:29:24
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In reply to a post by stubert:
Yes, When I was on Sky LLU this was never a problem. Since having Infinity all I have altered on Utorrent is set the outgoing protocol encryption to forced. I also have "allow incoming legacy connections" ticked but cannot remember if this was already in place before migrating?

As I have said this has worked for me perfectly and have hit speeds of over 4MB/s at any time of the day.
That could be luck,Because if they are said to actively throttle/shape p2p traffic, then if that was the case forcing encryption and allowing legacy connections, would not prevent their system detecting the traffic type,(unless it doesn't work ) or the possibility of a case of shaping showing as enabled on their systems, but in reality it's not ,
as with any torrent there are lots of connections something that would be difficult to hide, unless using a tunnel (vpn) virgin are said to use or have used other more intrusive methods DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) so only way of possibly avoiding that is with a secure VPN
I can remember using a mates BT adsl connection to download torrents, or try to should i say, i did not matter how u torrent was configured, during peak times it would only download at around 100kbits regardless of number of seeds, even selecting the unbuntu iso as a test ,

That still gave the same results, but as my connection wasn't subjected to this malarkey i made a note of the files he wanted borrowed his pen drive and downloaded it using my connection, torrent maxed out my thoughput,

Edited by tommy45 (Wed 08-Feb-12 17:31:46)

Standard User stubert
(newbie) Wed 08-Feb-12 17:51:28
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In reply to a post by tommy45:
In reply to a post by stubert:
Yes, When I was on Sky LLU this was never a problem. Since having Infinity all I have altered on Utorrent is set the outgoing protocol encryption to forced. I also have "allow incoming legacy connections" ticked but cannot remember if this was already in place before migrating?

As I have said this has worked for me perfectly and have hit speeds of over 4MB/s at any time of the day.
That could be luck,


Maybe so, must be one of the lucky ones then I guess.

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Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 19:22:52
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What is false exactly, care to enlighten us all ?


"the only way to circumvent traffic shaping is by using a SSL link"

"Alternatives are set the client sw to run outside peak times, and use only private trackers"

"using a private tracker is more secure than using the likes of the pirate bay"

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Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 08-Feb-12 19:25:11
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if they are said to actively throttle/shape p2p traffic


Where is it stated that they do?

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Standard User shtu
(experienced) Thu 09-Feb-12 09:25:03
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Here's the curent policy wording for everyone,

http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10495...

Note that this is a lot more complex than "yes they do"\"no they don't". Have a rummage at this to get an idea of the complexity of the policies that can be applied,

http://www.arbornetworks.com/arbor-eseries-deep-pack...

Edited by shtu (Thu 09-Feb-12 09:27:26)

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