End of Traffic Management

Don't know if this has been announced previously?......new packages available from February. No traffic management on file sharing protocols on the Totally Unlimited portfolio. Customers can move to new package by signing a new contract.

Edited by thompsbd (Fri 01-Feb-13 10:00:08)

Yes website has updated, the use of Totally is very important.

I don't see any significant difference between Unlimited Broadband @ £16 pm and Unlimited Broadband Extra @ £21 pm. True, the latter includes W/E calls. But you are paying £5 pm for something only worth £3.30 pm.

Also to get Anytime Calls costs an extra £5.15 pm on both, making them £21.15 pm & £26.15 pm respectively for identical products.

Have I missed something?

Extra adds the 50GB cloud storage and BT Net Protect Plus.

Otherwise the broadband side is the same product.

Customers have to start a new contract to get rid of the traffic shaping?

LAME!

I wonder if that means they have also removed the covert upstream P2P throttling that many people have suggested is running 24/7?

That is a tad annoying. Only been with BT for 1 week and they've changed the package... And as I got a discount on the first 3 months on their promotional offer I suspect if I "upgraded" now that I would lose the discount - so have to wait 3 months to get the new features at which point it will extend my contract - still maybe it will coincide with release of FTTP in which case I may do that and get the benefits then.

Me too.

Old policy: http://i.imgur.com/0LaUTo7.png
New policy: http://i.imgur.com/cLs6v1m.png

This would explain the none traffic management of p2p i've been seeing lately goodbye seedbox ^_^

I wonder if the blocking of pirate bay has anything to do with this.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

Customers have to start a new contract to get rid of the traffic shaping?

LAME!

Where does it state that? That is contrary to here:
Traffic Management

The table shows the old product name as being revised as well.

Just tested mine now though and it's definitely being traffic managed.

Look at section two - second table. This applies to the old products and includes P2P shaping during peak times.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

Look at section two - second table. This applies to the old products and includes P2P shaping during peak times.

Oh [censored]... I only joined on 15th Jan. That's ridiculous.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

Customers have to start a new contract to get rid of the traffic shaping?

LAME!

BT have *always* done this on their Broadband and Telephone products. Changed products only apply to new customers and those signing up to another contract.

Its one reason I wanted to go to Sky, and will move from Infinity when my contract is up in 2014 - sad as the product itself works very well.

Sky Fibre Unlimited Pro cost more dunnit? If you want to do p2p unlimited, surely best off re-contracting and saving against the competing Sky product?

Edited by deleted (Fri 01-Feb-13 21:19:35)

true, but I only sync around 40/8 anyway, so probably not bother with pro, and its only about £4. and the voice line rental is a bit cheaper.

Edited by jchamier (Fri 01-Feb-13 21:58:08)

Hmm. Slower or more expensive. and an existing product that 'works well'

My money is on BT Retail retaining you with a deal when you are out of contract.

If you joined on Jan15th then switching to new contract won't extend your end of contract significantly. I don't know what effect it has on free introductory offers.
For people in mid-contract, switching means being locked into BT for a significant extra period.

In either case, as I understand it the switching itself is free.

Unlikely, it doesn't take more than 30 seconds using any search engine to find out how to circumvent the 'block'.

why dont they just auto update everyone, whats with the obsession of long contracts from BT? for me its only a 1 month penalty since i still have a 17 month commit left but I think its a very bad penalty for those outside of their minimum term, 18 months is a very long time.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I wonder if that means they have also removed the covert upstream P2P throttling that many people have suggested is running 24/7?

I just tested now and get.

Is your upload traffic rate limited?

Your ISP appears to rate limit your uploads.

Details:

* There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests, uploads using control flows achieved up to 18128 Kbps while uploads using BitTorrent achieved up to 18136 Kbps.

* Your ISP appears to rate limit uploads on port 6881. In our tests, uploads on port 6881 achieved up to 18128 Kbps while uploads on port 44061 achieved up to 1001 Kbps.
Is your download traffic rate limited?

Your ISP appears to rate limit your downloads.

Details:

* There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 47872 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 46387 Kbps.

* Your ISP appears to rate limit downloads on port 6881. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 47872 Kbps while downloads on port 44061 achieved up to 14372 Kbps.

That is my first ever glasnost test that has not had full upstream throttling since I signed up, although port 6881 remained throttled. I havent recontracted.

ok interesting, I just recontracted.

The bad news is for new people like me still on 3 month discount that gets lost.

The good news is its a way to drop 6 months of the 18 month contract as the recontract is a 12 month contract. So it makes buying the contract out cheaper if leaving early.

So they aren't adding adding 12 months onto your existing contract then?
Are you saying essentially it's a new 12 month contract starting from today?

yeah I was surprised as its a loophole.

However I need to check my bill after because I can see potential for a mess.

I prepaid my line rental for a year and the email just came in shows a line rental of over £14 even tho the lady on the phone said nothing would change on the phone side.

Your contract is for: 12 months starting on 05 Feb 2013

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 02-Feb-13 10:15:14)

Where does the show the contract length information?

In reply to a post by partial:

Hmm. Slower or more expensive. and an existing product that 'works well'

My money is on BT Retail retaining you with a deal when you are out of contract.

Since I'd also like a static IP (missing the one I had with BE for 5 years) changing ISP is fairly likely in early 2014

initially I was told on the phone but its also in the email receipt.

Do Sky do a static IP? I may be wrong but my sources tell me that they don't.

Its one reason I wanted to go to Sky, and will move from Infinity when my contract is up in 2014 - sad as the product itself works very well.

Since I'd also like a static IP (missing the one I had with BE for 5 years) changing ISP is fairly likely in early 2014

Edited by deleted (Sat 02-Feb-13 20:56:53)

In reply to a post by partial:

Do Sky do a static IP? I may be wrong but my sources tell me that they don't.

Nope but I'm expecting the market will change again by 2014. Today I'd probably consider PlusNet.

they dont but its sort of sticky, it does have a dhcp lease time, so if you dont stay disconnected too long and reconnect with the same device the ip should stay the same on sky.

With plusnet aside static ip's are a premium on FTTC in this country. But I remain wary of plusnet and am hesitant to jump ship to them. The issue been the high fee's paid just for a migration and new 18 month commit so its not just taking a punt anymore.

ok an update from me. I got an email saying my new service is active (bit confusing as the first email says in a few days time and mods on the BT care forum also say is a 4-5 day turnaround).

I did another test during peak time (Was planned anyway) and this has the same result as earlier unthrottled but throttled on port 6881. Since noone is using 6881 now days I wonder if they have effectively unthrottled everyone anyway (but still doing some snooping as 6881 is slowed down) but not saying so to get people to recontract.

I will do another test after the 5 feb to see if it then says 6881 is unthrottled.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 02-Feb-13 22:09:22)

ok now I am getting this, 1 hour before my official changeover date.

Is your upload traffic rate limited?

There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your uploads.

Is your download traffic rate limited?

There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your downloads

That's exactly what I get and I have not ordered the upgrade. Torrents are running at full speed at peak time.

Recently torrents are a lot less managed, in fact I'm struggling to find a time where there are.

yeah I think everyone is been changed but they dont want to tell people that.

I am ok recontracting since it reduces my contract length.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

yeah I think everyone is been changed but they dont want to tell people that.
I am ok recontracting since it reduces my contract length.

I've just tried a Glastnost test - and I've no plans to recontract.

Is your upload traffic rate limited?

Your ISP appears to rate limit your uploads.

Details:

* Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests, uploads using control flows achieved up to 8874 Kbps while uploads using BitTorrent achieved up to 987 Kbps.

* Your ISP appears to rate limit uploads on port 6881. In our tests, uploads on port 6881 achieved up to 8874 Kbps while uploads on port 56179 achieved up to 994 Kbps.
Is your download traffic rate limited?

There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your downloads.

well it was only a guess, some people reported it been removed without a recontract.

I think what may have happened instead is just down to how BT have different strictness of throttling for different areas and maybe those in soft areas assumed they have had it removed. I probably jumped the gun a bit then on that info, sorry.

yeah see my last post also.

it seeems from your post your area has barely any throttling anyway so would be hard to notice if the policy has changed or not.

my area had upload throttled 24/7 and download throttled at a guess 6-8 hours a day.

however when I did a test before ordering the recontract my upload throttle was already removed on the non port 6881 test which was the first time I had seen it not in effect.

Does anyone know if there is any need to reconnect the router to see the benefits?

Clearly, local time changes to those throttled happen without any reconnection,
but is the recognition of an unthrottled connection also automatic?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

well it was only a guess, some people reported it been removed without a recontract.

I think what may have happened instead is just down to how BT have different strictness of throttling for different areas and maybe those in soft areas assumed they have had it removed. I probably jumped the gun a bit then on that info, sorry.

Yeah, no problem. That would make sense its down to area utilisation. Doesn't bother me.

my connection didnt recconect.

Others reported theirs did tho, but that may have been coincidence.

my glasnost test inside vuze tells me im not throttled but i cant get over 100kb on a 12MB connection.

spoke to BT, the guy in the exceptions team suggested i move products to get the throttling removed. so im 8 quid a month better off, unlimited and only on a 12 month contract, not an 18.

will see if downloads get any quicker tomorrow.

Could take up to 5 days after new contract starts.
I've been on it 1 day and no sign of change; others have been luckier.

Is your upload traffic rate limited?

Your ISP appears to rate limit your uploads.
Details:
Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests, uploads using control flows achieved up to 15891 Kbps while uploads using BitTorrent achieved up to 987 Kbps.
Your ISP appears to rate limit uploads on port 6881. In our tests, uploads on port 6881 achieved up to 15891 Kbps while uploads on port 44932 achieved up to 984 Kbps.

Is your download traffic rate limited?
Your ISP appears to rate limit your downloads.
However, some of the measurements were affected by noise, which limits Glasnost ability to detect rate limiting.
Details:
Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 33242 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 22 Kbps.
Your ISP appears to rate limit downloads on port 6881. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 33242 Kbps while downloads on port 44932 achieved up to 24 Kbps.

speedtest.net, 69Mbps.

how are you better off when the new and old prices match?

It's only the last few weeks or so the throttling has been relaxed, and now seems to have disappeared. Before DL was throttlled at peak and UL 24/7 to 1Mb.

My guess is there is more capacity now to deal with the change to totaly unlimited so they can afford to relax the restrictions on the old packages. I could see throttleing at some point.

I won't be upgrading untill my contract is up is a few months, don't use P2P much (this could also explain the relaxed restrictions), it will be interesting to see what happens in the mean time for both unlimited and totally unlimited users.

Just got my first ever unthrottled result from Glasnost p2p.
I'll try again busy time this evening.

Is your upload traffic rate limited?
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your uploads.

Is your download traffic rate limited?
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your downloads.
However, some of the measurements were affected by noise, which limits Glasnost ability to detect rate limiting.

Details:
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 33610 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 35771 Kbps.

There is no indication that your ISP rate limits downloads on port 6881 or 54956. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 30615 Kbps while downloads on port 54956 achieved up to 33610 Kbps.

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http://loki08.mpi-sws.mpg.de//bb//glasnost.php?proto...

if anyone wants details.