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Standard User cheshire_man
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jan-14 13:22:41
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Light fitting - yes, and have done. Light switch - no, and never would. The light fitting if the switch is working will not have live current. The light switch however does have live current and will give you a very nasty jolt.
Depends what you mean by the light fitting, The ceiling rose can be a junction box containing the L+N+E feed in, the L+N+E feed out, the LL to switch, as well as the L+N drop wires to the bulb holder.

I don't think I'd change a ceiling rose without switching off the circuit - and checking all the wires in the rose were dead.

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Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 09-Jan-14 14:33:49
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Light fitting - yes, and have done. Light switch - no, and never would. The light fitting if the switch is working will not have live current. The light switch however does have live current and will give you a very nasty jolt.


THAT IS A DANGEROUS AND INCORRECT STATEMENT.


A light fitting may very well have an unswitched live. UK standards normally have the live fed to the fitting or junction box supplying the fitting and then a live feed to a switch which returns a switched live.


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Standard User cheshire_man
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jan-14 15:10:21
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Just as I said in my email reply to Ian72, though not perhaps so emphatically.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Jan-14 16:27:07
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Lights controlled by two switches, such as landing lights, being interesting.

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Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jan-14 16:48:27
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Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.
Standard User MHC
(sensei) Thu 09-Jan-14 16:59:41
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Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.



Maybe you should consider whether to make dangerous statements on a subject yiou are not qualified or fully experienced in.


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Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jan-14 17:04:54
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In reply to a post by ian72:
Interesting, wasn't the case with the ones I have done. I do normally cut the power to the lighting circuit but the latest one I didn't and didn't have any need to. Obviously, you should check if there is a live feed first by using appropriate tools and I take no responsbility for anyone else who plays with electrics without taking the correct precautions.



Maybe you should consider whether to make dangerous statements on a subject yiou are not qualified or fully experienced in.


Maybe anyone reading forums also has to assume it is a comment based on a persons current experience and people are not presenting themselves as experts in the field - but luckily other people are on forums to point out any mistakes. Shame we aren't all perfect.
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 09-Jan-14 17:14:55
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based on a persons current experience
Is that ohms or raisins?


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 09-Jan-14 17:28:59
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it is a comment based on a persons current experience
Or avoidance of such, one hopes. wink

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Standard User lelboy
(member) Thu 09-Jan-14 19:12:41
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Hmm, not a particularly polite comment to Bob - who's trying to be helpful. If you're not a "noob" and you think you know what you're doing, then why ask what you did? Anyone who's not a "noob" should be fully aware that anything before the master socket - test point - is BT's liability: this negates the point of your question and your ramblings. Bob, Andrew and many others here try to help: your overdefensive indignation is pretty poor, I think.
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