BT line fault

During the recent winds, it transpired that the overhead line to my house was damaged where it passes through a tree. This tree is about 300 yards from my home but on my land since I live on a small farm.

When I reported the fault I was told that I would be charged £129.99 if the problem was "in my property", no mention of the line that passes over my land from the road. The phone bill arrives and of course, the charge.

We have had problems before of a similar nature and once the local farmer accidentally cut the line where it runs down the last pole on my land. In the past, these faults were repaired at no charge.

I phoned to complain at the charge based on the fact that I was not told that it would be incurred for a fault on the outside line over my land and that the engineer did not mention it would be chargeable when he located it. When I suggested that should it happen again I will replace the damaged line myself, I was advised that it would be "illegal". Engineers apparently are not allowed to discuss financial matters!

The tree was there when BT installed the line through it so where do I stand with this please? I trimmed the tree before the bill arrived, for my own sake!!

Your tree or spade that damages line you pay.

Been that way for a while, may be able to dispute with retailer if you had said was likely a tree on your property before call out and they did not change standard wording.

Same system as the water companies use.

Thank you Andrew

Re water; we had a burst a while back in the quarter mile of pipe from the meter to the house. Water bill, £2,400 !!!

Since it was our first burst since moving here they waived the charge Subsequent bursts are on us....

it should be the case that if the damage is obviously from the tree rubbing through the insulation, or for example tree laid on ground with telephone line under it that you would pay and for storm damage claim from house insurance.

For slow gradual damage, down to you to trim back trees.

You could provide a suitable location for an NTE5 on the very edge of the property boundary and then be responsible for running wire to your building.

Not good news I am afraid, there may be room for negotiation like you managed with the water people, but depends on if you feel lucky today

I had thought of digging a trench last time this happened but 400 yards is a long way, uphill too

Start at the other end, then it's downhill...

Which is fine, so long as you know where the other end is .

If you know how far it is then the location of the other end is surely defined...

Oh ha bl**** ha

Chainsaw out tomorrow then. Only problem there, is it's an electric chainsaw, the nearest power point is 300 yards away and my extension lead is only 60 yards long......

Ironically the original line that served this property was just twin and with insulation as tough as old boots. I still have it, for "gardening purpose"!! We needed a second line so BT installed multi-core (through this same tree) that even the BT 'engineer' stated was inferior quality to the stuff he took down

This extortionate bill of £129.99 refers to Engineer Home Improvement Service Charge. I didn't ask for improvement, I just asked for repair!

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

Edited by Andrew_W (Wed 26-Feb-14 17:26:13)

Ductin', innit?

Sounds like a plan, but you'd need to make sure the ends weren't going to chafe the covering just as badly. A bit of rotation and shiver, with the tree branches moving it, could have quite an effect.

Nothing like a bit of rotation and shiver

Point taken though!

Car and a high-power Inverter?

Actually, if I was honest, I have a portable 2.5Kw generator. Living here you need it!!

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

Seems like a reasonable idea, though something more purpose made is available to openreach.
I wouldn't recommended having the NTE located outside the building. This would incur an installation charge for non served premises, so could be expensive and would not be worthwhile IMO.

The tree was there when BT installed the line through it so where do I stand with this please?

I bet it wasn't so large then though.

What if it's damaged by a neighbours tree?

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

Don't know about the BT Regs, but it would add quite a bit of weight to the line which could possibly create other premature faults!

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

Don't know about the BT Regs, but it would add quite a bit of weight to the line which could possibly create other premature faults!

I had thought of that but modern cheap hosepipe is of little substance and of moderate weight. It will also have to be grey in colour to blend with the sky

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

In reply to a post by johnjburness:

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

Don't know about the BT Regs, but it would add quite a bit of weight to the line which could possibly create other premature faults!

I had thought of that but modern cheap hosepipe is of little substance and of moderate weight. It will also have to be grey in colour to blend with the sky

Its not the apparent direct weight that is the issue, but the forces that it will apply to the cable - which will be many times the additional weight - causing the cable to stretch (the "Maths" of Catenary calculations is "interesting").

They have that problem with the Humber Bridge

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

Just had a thought! If I got a length of plastic hose pipe, long enough to pass through this tree, cut a slit in its full length and slid it over the phone line in the appropriate position, would this fall foul of BT regulations?

That would increase the weight of the line!!

Plus what would happen if the water get inside the hose then frezes? SHATTER!

Another £130 bill from BT.

In reply to a post by hypertony:

That would increase the weight of the line!!

Plus what would happen if the water get inside the hose then frezes? SHATTER!

Another £130 bill from BT.

Another good point!

How about some of this then?

In reply to a post by Andrew_W:

How about some of this then?

That would make the cable thicker, which means more chance of snow settling on them, thus making the cable heavier (and forms ice as well).

Best to leave the cable alone and trim the tree.

OK OK give in

Actually, the line did survive an ice storm some years ago. Bad enough to pull a big ash tree down in the garden!

Can't trim the trees at the moment, it's raining

£6.73pm?

Then pass the bill to your neighbour.

Best to leave the cable alone and trim the tree.

The best advice given in the whole thread IMHO.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

£6.73pm?

It is available in longer lengths, pro-rata