AMC on BT TV

Hi all,

not seen any posts here, but BT have got exclusive rights to AMC, and the new walking dead spin-off, fear the walking dead, starts on Friday 27th August.

You have to have BT TV, so I just signed up, and got box today, AMC if free, if you take the sports package, which is also free if you have BT broadband, so seems like a good deal.

Just watched pilot, and looks very promising, plus great picture quality too, first time I've had BT TV and very impressed!

With most of BT part of TV on ADSL it is pay to view on ADSL. The quality of picture on Sport and AMC is very good considering it is only SD. The youview box works well for freeview.
However, when watching Sport seems to hog most of broadband bandwidth.
As a renewing customer TV is £3 per month, including sport, fine by me.

AMC on my BT Freeview box, via Fibre infinity 2 unlimited, at 75Mbps, is in full HD

720/1080i/p??

could be wrong here, but when I turn on the BT Freeview box to AMC, screen briefly says 1080p?
Certainly looks like 1080p compared to everything else on the Sony Bravia 60" I'm using.

OK cheers, what does it say when you watch BBC One HD?

As BBC One HD comes across the FreeView HD signal/platform it will depend on what the BBC is broadcasting it at.

AMC is different because it is delivered over the IPTV infrastructure

I know, the reason I asked was because the BBC HD channels on Freeview will be broadcasting at 720p/1080i not full HD, so then working out wether the IPTV channels are 1080i/p using the identifier coming up on the STB will confirm its res.

If the youview box is upscaling and thus outputting at 1080p all the time it may not help, i.e. set-top boxes can upscale content

That would be the case on the TV but not the box itself!

AMC is available on Channel 332 in SD or Channel 381 in Full HD.
HD is only available on Infinity and appears to be chargeable as extra cost.
The SD quality is on a par with BBC1 on the Youview.

As part of the existing HD Extra bundle so no extra charge if you already have that.

Andrew's right the box output doesn't tell you anything.

I have the BT ultraHD package and it says it's 2160p no matter what channel I watch (terrestrial or IP channels)

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

I know, the reason I asked was because the BBC HD channels on Freeview will be broadcasting at 720p/1080i not full HD, .

According to the BBC website:
The BBC's HD channels currently transmit programmes using the 1080/50i standard and 1080/25p depending on how the content is captured.

anyone else getting problems with the new BT youview box in terms of recording via series link, then finding the last five or so minuets missing off the end of the programmes?

Seems to be on everything I record, phoned BT, who went through self helps (all on a script), then a factory reset, so lost all shows anyway, but not solved the recording/playback problems, still missing the end of shows, with no way to adjust the programme recording?

Usually depends on the channel. Some broadcasters are better than others at using Accurate Recording signalling.

seems to only effect the BT internet channels, AMC in particular, I did series record of Mad Men, all missing the end of programmes?

In which case new channel so maybe new playout staff and need to tweak the end of show markers.

Had conversation with top team at BT, who admit it's a software problem, ongoing for ages for them now, and who seem to be waiting for YouView to update its software, something they seem to be in no rush to do, sadly!

Last Sunday my recording of the MotoGP race picked up the 15 minute over-run (due to a rain-delayed) start but I think that was down to an EPG change which was picked up in time rather than using Accurate Recording. Oddly the summary info for the recording still had the end time down as the original but the deatailed info had the new end time ... or perhaps not so oddly given the on the fly EPG change and knowing how coders think and work.

Incorrect.

BBC HD broadcasts on Freeview are a mixture of 1080i and 1080p. Nothing is broadcast in 720p.

Indeed. They dynamically switch between the two on Freeview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/20...

Edited by Davey_H (Sat 05-Sep-15 22:02:30)

Which is why I said 720/1080 not a mixture.

Eh?

the BBC HD channels on Freeview will be broadcasting at 720p/1080i not full HD

They do not broadcast in 720p. The BBC HD channels on Freeview are broadcast in either the 1080/50i or 1080/25p standards.

Which is why I said they "either" broadcast at 720/1080i.... I didn't say both!

In this context " / = Or "

Where does the 720p come from? The BBC do not broadcast in 720p via terrestrial!

The BBC broadcast in 1080i and 1080p on Freeview - what you said was completely incorrect.

F...inell... this discussion seems to be going like a scratched record...

I refer you back to the post that you first replied to me on...

It is a reply to Andrew regarding the fact that Freeview's (DVB-T2) Broadcasts of High Definition are in 720p/1080i (remember or not both)...

As you have "correctly" pointed out that since my last dealing with any DVB-T2 setups they have now started broadcasting selected content in a variation of 1080p!

There has never has been a broadcast source of 720p in the UK - I hope this clears things up for you. What Andrew said was entirely correct, it was your response that was incorrect.

And they have been broadcasting in 1080p for over 4 years now, not just 'now'!

Yes there has, 720p was Virgin Media's HD delivery for sometime... I believe it may still be too for a few channels!

I'm not a huge follower of Live Broadcasting to be honest, and what Andrew said wasn't the correct answer to my question,

but after this back and forth this morning there must be something wrong with the original post that is misleading people or I'm the only sober one here.

What Andrew referred too was that the TV would show the resolution it was receiving from the STB and not from each individual channel... and that wasn't what I was asking... what I was asking was what the STB indicated the resolution was per channel "if it did"!!!

Edited by mlmclaren (Sun 06-Sep-15 08:46:36)

Nope, VM delivery is in 1080i and always has been I am told. Why would they be delivering in 720p25 if it requires more bandwidth than 1080i50?

BBC iPlayer HD delivery *was* in 720p25, although I am not sure if this is still the case.

Edited by deleted (Sun 06-Sep-15 08:57:21)

Nope. Virgin was in 720p... I remember this very well! It was in the lead up to TiVo that Virgin went 1080i!

Jeesh...box outputs do not mean the source broadcast is in the same format!

Think about it a bit...why would VM be broadcasting in 720p when it requires more bandwidth than 1080i and all the source recordings/streams are in 1080i/p?

Not talking about box outputs, I'm talking about the broadcasts...

In the early Virgin HD days most broadcasts where in 720p, then they started going 1080i (for the very reason you mention) and as they where adding higher quality channels from Sky.

They where at one point broadcasting stuff like BBC HD in 720P... I remember clearly because I found out when compared Sky HD and was bitching at Virgin about it!

Now I'm not discussing it any further... the fact is I asked wether BT TV was broadcasting all its HD channels (or AMC at least) at 1080P HD or 1080i HD, this whole discussion has been a waste of time and still no closer to get an answer to the question originally asked.

and worse still it was all started by your jumping of bullets and not reading the question correctly or even attempting to understand its context!

In reference to forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=904206:

BBC HD is broadcast as 1080i but on the "making of..." programmes (like at the end of each episode of Planet Earth or the whole of Lost Land Of The Jaguar) you see the cameramen using Panasonic HD cameras with are labelled as 720p.

And what a camera records is not necessarily what is broadcast, i.e. in the edit suite the content will have been ingested and upscaled to the to the broadcast standard

There seems to be little point up scaling 720p to 1080i

A thread from 7 years ago!? Clearly useful...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchanddevelopment/20...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/bbchd_channels_schedule

Edited by deleted (Sun 06-Sep-15 11:58:06)

In the early Virgin HD days most broadcasts where in 720p, then they started going 1080i (for the very reason you mention) and as they where adding higher quality channels from Sky.

BBC have never broadcast in 720p (as have any other broadcaster here), and the original HD broadcasts with VM started some 8-9 years ago...which must have made you what, 11 or 12 years old?

There is when you want to support a standard output

e.g. before 1080 cameras became the standard a show may have featured a range of resolutions in its input material.

I think 4k cameras are the standard now

I doubt BBC has upgraded all its cameras to 4k yet, but some events are certainly recorded in 4k.

It took a good number of years to get the outside broadcast trucks upgraded to all be HD capable, and the data rates of 4K mean another wave of upgrades needed.

But as an example, the living planet was filmed using 720p cameras when 1080 was the standard.

But would have been broadcast upscaled or downscaled to whatever the broadcast channel used as its standard.

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

In the early Virgin HD days most broadcasts where in 720p, then they started going 1080i (for the very reason you mention) and as they where adding higher quality channels from Sky.

BBC have never broadcast in 720p (as have any other broadcaster here), and the original HD broadcasts with VM started some 8-9 years ago...which must have made you what, 11 or 12 years old?

Again... I never said BBC....

May I correct your impromptu date estimates, The first HD channel on cable platform was in 2006 (trial) and first official channel (BBC HD) was around the end of 2007....

I was about 13 - 14 years old when I gained my interest in telecoms and home media so yes been around 7-8 years... I do wonder why age has anything to do with this...

I suppose its your usual lack of informative input and just typing nonsense as usual...

May I refer you to another post where you did this and my response!

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

Why would they be delivering in 720p25 if it requires more bandwidth than 1080i50?

720p/50 not 720p/25 (huge difference). Which has a lower bitrate than 1920x1080i/25 both uncompressed and like-for-like compressed.