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Standard User Michael_Chare
(experienced) Fri 18-Nov-16 19:08:44
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


[re: Zarjaz] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
It surely is right.

You pay line rental for Openreach to maintain your line.

I pay a garage to maintain my car, if branch comes off a tree and damages my car was it the garages responsibility to ensure no branch came near my car ?
If the car was in the possession of the garage at the time, then you could possibly argue that they had to taken good care of it, unless there were wholly exceptional weather conditions such as the '87 storm.

Michael Chare
Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 19-Nov-16 07:23:05
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


[re: 961a] [link to this post]
 
But doesn't a typical Wayleave allow originally PO Telephones, now BT OR, to access the land to maintain the line/s?

My uncertainty is that the only time that I saw an actual Wayleave, was about 1949; and was for running lines along several buildings in town.
Standard User TheEulerID
(experienced) Sat 19-Nov-16 09:45:33
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
As you say, most people can't be bothered to debundle. But the new rules are for the lazy or, maybe, simply because they don't think £30 over a year is worth the hassle.


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Standard User Michael_Chare
(experienced) Sat 19-Nov-16 10:06:41
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


[re: RobertoS] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by RobertoS:
Well I happily pay £14 line rental with peanuts call charges, no setup costs of 11p or more plus lots per minute, lis 1p or less per minute billed by the second. Then choose a broadband to fit. So Plusnet would cost me £2.50 more for my broadband, (maybe £3 now?) and I save a fortune on rental plus calls.

More fool people who don't work it out!

What about those who don't have the same options as you do?

Michael Chare
Standard User David_W
(knowledge is power) Sat 19-Nov-16 18:19:58
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


[re: eckiedoo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by eckiedoo:
But doesn't a typical Wayleave allow originally PO Telephones, now BT OR, to access the land to maintain the line/s?
Yes.

I don't have the original Wayleave Consent to hand, but here is an extract from a Land Registry title certificate:
A Wayleave Consent dated 8 July 1980 affecting the land in this title and other land in favour of the Post Office relates to the laying of telegraph lines and ancillary equipment on the land on the eastern side of [street name] which includes land adjacent to the south western boundary of the land in this title. The said Consent contains the following restrictive condition:-
"The Grantor shall not use any part of the Grantor's land in such a way as to make the Post Office telegraphic line difficult of access provided that a Grantor shall not be liable for any breach of this Condition after he has ceased to have any interest in the Grantor's land."

Wayleaves will typically provide for access for maintenance and similar routine activities. However, the existence of the grantee's right to maintain does not necessarily put the entire burden of preventative maintenance on the grantee.

It's expensive to go round trimming trees proactively. With electricity cables, there is a safety of life concern if the lines are touched or, worse still, brought down - even if the circuit breakers open, there might still be hazardous voltages on the cables until they are properly earthed. This provides some justification for routine tree trimming activities by the electricity companies. Conversely, a broken telephone cable is little more than a nuisance assuming that the cable falls safely away from any thoroughfare, so it is arguably open to Openreach to adopt a reactive strategy in respect of tree damage to overhead line plant.

Whether the landowner is responsible for paying for damage to overhead cables is likely to depend on any relevant conditions in the wayleave (if any), then on the law of negligence.



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Standard User eckiedoo
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 19-Nov-16 18:38:16
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Re: Maintenance of copper cable


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Thanks for the quick response.
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