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Standard User reddev86
(learned) Sun 27-Jun-10 01:37:38
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FTTC VDSL2 modem connected directly to PC?


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I'm due to have FTTC from AAISP installed on Monday. However I've just realized that I do not have a router capable of PPPoE handy (moved house and I haven't a clue where it is).

Do you NEED a router for FTTC, or can the Openreach VDSL2 modem be connected directly into a LAN port on a PC, and then configured as a PPPoE connection in Windows networking?

If not, I'll have to nip out on Monday morning to buy a router, hopefully before the engineer arrives.

Thanks
Standard User uno
(experienced) Sun 27-Jun-10 02:58:37
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In reply to a post by reddev86:
Do you NEED a router for FTTC, or can the Openreach VDSL2 modem be connected directly into a LAN port on a PC, and then configured as a PPPoE connection in Windows networking?


No, you don't need one and yes, a PPPoE connection via Windows networking will work perfectly.

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Standard User RobertoS
(legend) Sun 27-Jun-10 07:24:32
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I think you would find it quicker and a lot easier to nip out and get a cheap router unless you only have two machines in total. Preferably one containing a switch rather than a hub.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 27-Jun-10 08:24:26)


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Standard User Bobby_Valentino
(fountain of knowledge) Sun 27-Jun-10 10:16:14
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Re: FTTC VDSL2 modem connected directly to PC?


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Can anyone hazard a guess when VDSL2+ routers will become mainstream and available on the market?

Standard User RobertoS
(legend) Sun 27-Jun-10 10:43:26
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BT Openreach will only supply with their modem at the moment. So no demand in the UK.

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Standard User IamQ
(experienced) Sun 27-Jun-10 12:58:58
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Draytek are working on one at the moment but its not ready and no one knows when it will be.

Thompson have a router modem already on the shelves in the UK

Not sure about any others at the moment as BT still insist on providing the kit in most cases, or spec a thompson router must be used.
Standard User Kiko4564
(newbie) Sun 27-Jun-10 16:47:30
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To sum up the replies you wouldn't need a new router but it would be easier to get one if you had more than two computers. One of them also recommended one with a switch as opposed to a hub, which I agree with.

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Standard User RobertoS
(legend) Sun 27-Jun-10 17:12:22
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Just in case anyone wants to know why, here is a reasonable explanation.

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Standard User Kiko4564
(newbie) Sun 27-Jun-10 20:18:21
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To sum this up a hub passes the message on to all devices whereas a switch, with some intelligence, only passes it on to the destination machine.

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Standard User Johnct
(regular) Mon 23-Aug-10 17:58:42
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very confused with people saying you need a router and others saying you dont
i have got a old Netgear DG834PSP v3 i just been told by the aaisp that as long it will will do PPPoE(i changed it from PPPoA) then it should be ok i have just check on the router login in page to see if can
this is info on it or will i have have to buy a new one ?
thank you

Router Status
Account Name
Firmware Version V1.02.02

ADSL Port
MAC Address 00:1b:2f:90:6e:0b
IP Address ---
Network Type PPPoE
IP Subnet Mask ---
Gateway IP Address ---
Domain Name Server ---

LAN Port
MAC Address 00:1b:2f:90:6e:0a
IP Address 192.168.0.1
DHCP On
IP Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0

Modem
ADSL Firmware Version 6.01.00.12
Modem Status Connecting
DownStream Connection Speed 0 kbps
UpStream Connection Speed 0 kbps
VPI 0
VCI 38

Wireless Port
Name (SSID) NETGEAR
Region Europe
Channel 11
Wireless AP Enabled
Broadcast Name Enabled
Standard User uno
(experienced) Mon 23-Aug-10 18:01:21
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For FTTC, it does not connect over a phone connector (RJ11), but over ethernet (RJ45) from the VDSL router to your router.

As far as I know, the RJ45 (ethernet) connector is used instead of RJ11 (telephone/ADSL), which means the DG834 shouldn't work as I don't think you can set it to use a network port for the outbound connection.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Mon 23-Aug-10 22:18:58
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if you want to connect more than one device you need a router.

you can directly connect just one device if it can handle PPPoE authentication.

the router needs to have an ethernet WAN port over which it can do PPPoE authentication

combined ADSL modem-routers do not have ethernet WAN ports and are therefore not suitable

Phil

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Standard User uno
(experienced) Mon 23-Aug-10 23:09:30
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
combined ADSL modem-routers do not have ethernet WAN ports and are therefore not suitable


Only exception to this is dual WAN routers like the 2820 which has a ADSL modem and a RJ45 WAN2 (which would work for this situation).

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 23-Aug-10 23:20:33
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Simple reason for the RJ54 - its presenting the service as Ethernet, with a PPPoE layer for authentication

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Standard User uno
(experienced) Mon 23-Aug-10 23:21:49
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I know wink

I was just explaining the difference for the poster so that there was confirmation that his/her current router wouldn't be good enough.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 24-Aug-10 08:27:13
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every rule needs an exception smile

Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 24-Aug-10 08:28:39
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however the RJ45 distinction is somewhat muddled by the use of an RJ45 socket on the VDSL faceplate.

Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
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Standard User DrTeeth
(knowledge is power) Sun 10-Apr-11 21:50:06
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every rule needs an exception smile

Except that one grin.

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Standard User otester
(learned) Mon 11-Apr-11 00:19:00
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You don't need one, let the BT guy install the modem then plug it into your PC, simple.

Edited by otester (Mon 11-Apr-11 00:19:26)

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