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Standard User gt94sss2
(experienced) Wed 27-Jul-11 16:38:57
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BT to further extend ADSL2+ coverage


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BT has announced that it is to extend the availability of its next-generation ADSL broadband service (ADSL2+) to a further 2.5 million homes.

Around 900,000 of these are in rural areas and BT promises that many will see download speeds double.

BT had already pledged to roll out its faster ADSL technology to 80% of the UK and this latest announcement means it will now reach 90%.

Multiple media sites covering this including the BBC

Regards
Sunil
Standard User awoodland
(regular) Wed 27-Jul-11 16:48:13
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any idea which exchanges? BBC et al don't seem to have specifics. Can't find anything interesting from BT either yet, this spreadsheet hasn't been updated as far as I can see.

Edited by awoodland (Wed 27-Jul-11 16:50:31)

Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 27-Jul-11 18:54:32
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Don't believe any words from BT, always a failure, always broken promises and well truely outdated.


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Standard User chris6273
(member) Wed 27-Jul-11 18:59:44
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[re: awoodland] [link to this post]
 
My 1415 line exchange has been announced: Nether Stowey (WWNETH): http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WWNETH

It's about time as well. I would be interested in finding a list of the exchanges as my exchange is the only one in the area being upgraded to 21CN (There are loads of 20CN exchanges around).

If anyone has the list, please let me know smile

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6851kbps Throughput:
My Broadband Speed Test

Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 8128 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 13.0 db 10.0 db
Max(Kbps): 11616 1056

Edited by chris6273 (Wed 27-Jul-11 19:00:13)

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 27-Jul-11 19:09:53
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Nothing on my exchange.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 27-Jul-11 19:12:22
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[re: gt94sss2] [link to this post]
 
So catching up to LLU ADSL2+ coverage then

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 27-Jul-11 19:16:12
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The government has promised to make the UK the fastest broadband nation in Europe by that date (2015), following years of languishing in the middle of the speed league tables.


My brackets.

What's your take on the progress of this Andrew? Also, can the UK easily be the fastest in Europe without improving rural speeds (i.e. provide 40 Meg to 80% of the population and raise the average massively)?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 27-Jul-11 19:26:57
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[re: camieabz] [link to this post]
 
Fore gone conclusion once you balance

Speed available
Price per Mbps
Coverage
Retail Competition etc

It is not a simple be at the top of the speedtest league table.

In essence to win things like Akamai leagues people have to buy into the super-fast products

2012 will see 100Mbps to 50% of population, add FTTC and its >25Mbps to around 57% of country. Add the various bids for BDUK superfast funding and 80% looks simple by 2015.

UK will hit the EU target of half homes for 100Mbps by 2020 eight years early.

Oddly in Denmark I hear the same complaints as we get in the UK and adverts are still for 4 to 8Mbps products in last Autumn/Winter (visit a few times each year)

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Wed 27-Jul-11 19:32:17
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Well, unfortunately for BT my rural backwater had the barn doors flung open by TT and Sky last year, too little too late BT. I think I will give BT the same commitment, nothing!

My views are my experiences.
Standard User ccxo
(regular) Wed 27-Jul-11 20:41:31
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Still quite a few rural area's that have not been touched, nothing on my exchange.

My Broadband Speed Test
Standard User chris6273
(member) Wed 27-Jul-11 20:51:38
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I have a theory:

I reckon 21CN dates for exchanges may have something to do with the ages of DSLAMs in exchanges. For example, in my situation, my exchange was one of the first to be enabled for ADSL in 2003 in the area and so it has older DSLAMs than most others (Which have not been announced for 21CN).

The ones which have even older ones like the nearby town exchange enabled for ADSL in 2001 was enabled for 21CN in 2009 - 2 years ago and it is almost exactly 2 years older than the ADSL date was for my exchange - 2003.

Could it be that BT Wholesale want to get rid of the older DSLAMs and replace it with newer MSANs due to support expiration?
By the figures, it appears as though BT Wholesale replace the older ADSL DSLAMs with newer MSANs after around 8 years?

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6851kbps Throughput:
My Broadband Speed Test

Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 8128 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 13.0 db 10.0 db
Max(Kbps): 11616 1056

Edited by chris6273 (Wed 27-Jul-11 20:57:45)

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 27-Jul-11 21:11:12
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My exchange was enabled on 04/02/2004, so if that's the case, we should see my enable date set to 31/01/2012. This batch seem to be four months ahead of the RFS of the one example listed so far, so in that case, my RFS should appear by the end of September.

Watch this space (I've a fiver on your theory not being the case, but if I get the RFS date, I'll be happy to part with a fiver). smile

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Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 27-Jul-11 22:05:01
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Fore gone conclusion once you balance

Speed available
Price per Mbps
Coverage
Retail Competition etc

It is not a simple be at the top of the speedtest league table.

In essence to win things like Akamai leagues people have to buy into the super-fast products

2012 will see 100Mbps to 50% of population, add FTTC and its >25Mbps to around 57% of country. Add the various bids for BDUK superfast funding and 80% looks simple by 2015.

UK will hit the EU target of half homes for 100Mbps by 2020 eight years early.

Oddly in Denmark I hear the same complaints as we get in the UK and adverts are still for 4 to 8Mbps products in last Autumn/Winter (visit a few times each year)


I am sorry Andrew, I find it hard to believe it!
Standard User chris6273
(member) Wed 27-Jul-11 22:57:23
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In reply to a post by camieabz:
My exchange was enabled on 04/02/2004, so if that's the case, we should see my enable date set to 31/01/2012. This batch seem to be four months ahead of the RFS of the one example listed so far, so in that case, my RFS should appear by the end of September.

Watch this space (I've a fiver on your theory not being the case, but if I get the RFS date, I'll be happy to part with a fiver). smile


The RFS date for my exchange appeared at the beginning of July laugh

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6851kbps Throughput:
My Broadband Speed Test

Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 8128 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 13.0 db 10.0 db
Max(Kbps): 11616 1056

Edited by chris6273 (Wed 27-Jul-11 22:59:21)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Thu 28-Jul-11 08:40:30
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Go look at the metrics they have outlined to score this, things like price of services, and retail competition are pretty high.

In other words many countries have just one or two retail options, so UK trumps them there, and very often on price for basic services too.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User begerac
(newbie) Mon 01-Aug-11 13:39:31
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Have BT advised when they will release the list of the additional exchanges to be ADSL2+ Enabled?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 01-Aug-11 13:52:16
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Did ask, but list is not finalised as yet, so will hopefully get it once they finish it

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User ccxo
(regular) Fri 05-Aug-11 17:21:04
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Did ask, but list is not finalised as yet, so will hopefully get it once they finish it


Any updates?

My Broadband Speed Test
Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 05-Aug-11 18:49:51
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[re: ccxo] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by ccxo:
In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
Did ask, but list is not finalised as yet, so will hopefully get it once they finish it


Any updates?


I doubt BT will never release it! They kept it secret only!
Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Fri 05-Aug-11 20:10:21
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Any reasons for that thinking?

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 06-Aug-11 00:25:25
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I think we are looking at weeks or a month or two, not a matter of days.

As for why BT might not release, there should almost be a larger obligation on TalkTalk who provide ADSL2+ to a wider section of the public

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User thomaswarne01
(newbie) Sat 06-Aug-11 09:38:45
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Your theory has its ups and downs
my aunts exchange Aunts Exchange
was enabled in 2005 and is having 21cn wbc ready at the end of the year
whereas my exchange SCOL
was enabled in 2004 and has nothing new on its page!
truro,newquay,penzance,bodmin,st austell all 21cn exchanges and they were enabled in september 09, 8 years after first broadband intall so theory may be right but, it may be due to demand that they are rolling out 21cn in different areas first

Who knows with bt! (British Twits)
Standard User gt94sss2
(experienced) Sun 07-Aug-11 22:03:43
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In reply to a post by thomaswarne01:
whereas my exchange SCOL
was enabled in 2004 and has nothing new on its
page!


In Cornwall, I suspect exchanges are being upgraded in the order they are getting fibre..

Your exchange is expected to get FTTC in 2013 and will be WBC'ed by then.

Looks as if your aunt's exchange is getting FTTC a year or so before you - hence being upgraded sooner.

Regards
Sunil
Standard User thomaswarne01
(learned) Sun 07-Aug-11 23:04:05
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[re: gt94sss2] [link to this post]
 
Why do bt 9/10 enable the exchange for 21cn before fttc?
is it because of the backhaul?
oh and check this out for my exchange
Plusnet exchange checker - enter this "WWSCOL"
It is congested! not for me i have full speed now
speedtest 07.08.2011.23:04

Edited by thomaswarne01 (Sun 07-Aug-11 23:06:19)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 07-Aug-11 23:08:58
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Without WBC in the exchange, or a nearby one, then there is no where for the data to go.

BT Wholesale does NOT use the old ATM network for backhaul on FTTC.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User thomaswarne01
(learned) Sun 07-Aug-11 23:36:24
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So what do bt use for fttc backhaul then?

Standard User Ribble
(member) Sun 07-Aug-11 23:43:05
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Their 21CN network, which is an IP based system
Standard User thomaswarne01
(learned) Mon 08-Aug-11 10:27:27
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So do bt have to put new backhaul into the exchange for it to support fttc/wbc-21cn?

Standard User Ribble
(member) Mon 08-Aug-11 18:40:06
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Yes
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Mon 08-Aug-11 18:43:36
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[re: thomaswarne01] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by thomaswarne01:
So do bt have to put new backhaul into the exchange for it to support fttc/wbc-21cn?


but they can link cabinets to a larger exchange, the fibre doesn't care about distance.

James - be* pro - on THFB - sync about 17.2mbps - BQM
Standard User ccxo
(regular) Tue 09-Aug-11 18:28:05
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Prehaps all the isps should be forced by ofcom to announce on certain dates there plans, instead of waiting for each other to go first.

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Standard User ccxo
(member) Wed 17-Aug-11 14:22:33
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Since Bt's list has now been published, will we see TT and sky's list soon in response?

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Standard User Puzzler
(newbie) Tue 13-Sep-11 14:54:48
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Possibly a stupid question but should the list of exchanges published below actually contain all the exchanges in the uk?

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Community/B...

I ask mainly because I cant see my exchange (http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/MYOAT) on it :'( Not the biggest exchange in the country by a long long way I know but even some kind of date would be nice.
Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Tue 13-Sep-11 16:07:23
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LOL, It would not suprise me they even new it exsisted. I had similar thoughts.

My views are my experiences.
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 13-Sep-11 17:48:35
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Are you referring to the linked Excel document?
If you are then it's no...

Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Sep-11 19:45:18
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[re: b4dger] [link to this post]
 
This one even better: http://www.superfast-openreach.co.uk/where-and-when/...

plusnetADSL2+13 Meg
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 13-Sep-11 19:45:52
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My exchange not listed either.

Tim
ZeN & freenetname
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Check my bad boy speeds out on ZeN
Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 13-Sep-11 23:28:27
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In reply to a post by Banger:
My exchange not listed either.


Neither my exchange too. I reckon we will have FTTC by late 2014/15 I reckon. BT are very slow roll out as BT enabled ADSL in 2004, ADSL Max in 2006, 21CN ADSL2+ in 2011 and probably FTTC in either 2014 or 2015.

plusnetADSL2+13 Meg

Edited by adslmax (Tue 13-Sep-11 23:31:52)

Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Wed 21-Sep-11 11:35:21
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The first and many quoted reason, for such rural exchanges not to be upgraded is customer base and the profit which I can entirely understand, however I have been suspicious of this reasoning as my experience has been the opposite. Unfortunately again the opposite.

I know my area, WNNN and the town it serves it is largest town in the county, it has the area 6th form college and secondary education base, it has the largest employer in whole of Mid Wales the Emerson group, it has more residential lines etc. Surely WNNN exchange had the economic case! Over WNLNS and WNWPL. I appreciate they are RFS dates however they been noticed and also I have other options, however If anyone could give some reasoning on behalf of the BT group it would greatly appreciated.

My views are my experiences.
Standard User johnmiller
(newbie) Mon 03-Oct-11 15:00:38
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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Mon 12-Dec-11 09:26:36
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Close, but no cigar. grin
21CN WBC status: RFS date set: 31/08/2012


Eight years seems to be a decent guide though.

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User Deep_Blue
(learned) Fri 23-Dec-11 08:06:32
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[re: camieabz] [link to this post]
 
My exchange originally had a RFS date for WBC of March this year!

Seeing as it was enabled for DSL in 2004, I'll be interested to see if an RFS date is released next year! smile
Standard User NilSatisOptimum
(member) Fri 23-Dec-11 09:34:11
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Who knows- http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WNNN

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Standard User warweezil
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 23-Dec-11 12:37:56
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[re: chris6273] [link to this post]
 
Looks like your theory doesn't hold water

My Exchange ADSL enabled in 2001 still has no date for 21CN or WBC.. 10 years on

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Standard User ccxo
(member) Fri 23-Dec-11 12:54:17
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[re: warweezil] [link to this post]
 
BT could be waiting to see what the Welsh Assembly do with their share of the bduk funds?

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Standard User warweezil
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 23-Dec-11 13:20:22
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[re: ccxo] [link to this post]
 
Fibre will be obsolete by the time Cardiff Bay lose their "Welsh Capital tunnel vision" get round to doing anything for the rest of Wales... they have faster services along the "important bits" of the M4 corridor - the rest of Wales doesn't exist... unless they are bidding for regeneration funds from the EU.

But coming back to the "8 year rule"... if that were the formula we would have seen an upgrade planned around 2009 pretty much before the BDUK funds were ever a real issue. This (smaller) Exchange locally to me was "ADSL enabled" a couple of years after ours and is getting a WBC upgrade

The Newtown (Powys) exchange mentioned by another poster was enabled even before mine and is just getting WBC, so again the lethargy in Cardiff Bay over BDUK funding doesn't seem to have any effect on the situation, nor does the "8 year rule".

Personally I think it comes down to a set of darts, a blindfold and a map.

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Standard User Seansmit17
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 30-Jan-12 02:34:56
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[re: awoodland] [link to this post]
 
My exchange is also not listed there.

Pontybodkin

I hope this 8 year upgrade theory works for me, cus then i should see ADSL2 next month tongue

I wont hold out hope tho!

BT 8MB
Standard User Seansmit17
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 06-Mar-12 13:01:46
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https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Community/B...

that link is now dead

anyone know where to get that spreadsheet from now?

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Standard User dazzle39
(newbie) Wed 07-Mar-12 20:07:12
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Try here

https://www.btwholesale.com/shared/document/Library/...

Dave smile
Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 07-Mar-12 20:47:37
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So how reliable is that? I.E. - Is it up to date, and likely to be accurate from an actual actioning the dates point of view?

If so, my exchange is dated another two months early. smile

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User Seansmit17
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 07-Mar-12 21:23:39
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not sure, but its a bit useless since things like my exchange are not even listed.

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Standard User chris6273
(member) Wed 07-Mar-12 21:36:35
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[re: camieabz] [link to this post]
 
That Datasheet is the latest one released by BT Wholesale.

The latest one (Available at that link) was released on the 01/03/2012, so its the one for this month.

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My Broadband Speed Test

Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed: 24184 kbps 1211 kbps
Line Attenuation: 16.5 db 6.4 db
Noise Margin: 0.5 db 6.2 db
Standard User dazzle39
(newbie) Wed 07-Mar-12 21:39:43
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[re: Seansmit17] [link to this post]
 
Here's the link to the BTW page from which it is linked from - sorry, should have posted this first.

https://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/Library/Net...

So, I guess it is accurate and up to date - spreadsheet updated yesterday (06/03/12)

D
Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Wed 07-Mar-12 22:09:24
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[re: chris6273] [link to this post]
 
Great stuff! Have updated my hi-tech WBC countdown (sig).

Amazing that in a fortnight the RFS date has shifted twice (four months closer than originally).

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© Camieabz 2002-2012

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User Seansmit17
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 08-Mar-12 10:19:25
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Anyone know why smaller exchanges are not listed?

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Standard User ccxo
(member) Thu 08-Mar-12 14:44:12
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[re: Seansmit17] [link to this post]
 
Your question is quite open, either its asking if why smaller exchanges that have not been enabled are not shown or why smaller exchanges are not shown in the planned upgrades.

The document only lists the exchanges that have been upgraded and are due to be upgraded- totals about 2462 exchanges.

Or smaller exchanges sub 1000 lines are unlikely to be upgraded for 21CN, the County Council broaband schemes, wiith their matched bduk funding will enable most rural (white areas).
Where the smaller exchanges will be upgraded for FTTC, using a larger master exchange which the fibre is blown from.

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Standard User LadFromWales85
(committed) Thu 08-Mar-12 18:22:22
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Which should I believe?

If a chuck my phone numbers into https://www.btwholesale.com/includes/adsl/main.html or http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.Teleph... I get
"Your exchange is planned to have ADSL2+ by 31st March 2012."

If I look up my exchange on BT's excel spreadsheet I get
"WNMB MENAI BRIDGE TE 11/1/12 1/31/13 "

Obviously the former would be better! The checkers have said March since late last year, the February excel spreadsheet had the above line in it also.

The excel spreadsheet is missing larger exchanges also. "SWPM" is missing, which has 8500~ lines.

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Standard User ccxo
(committed) Thu 08-Mar-12 19:58:34
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The spreadsheet gives 2 dates where in that time period the exchange will be enabled for 21CN.

The wholesale and asdl checker will likely show the current progression of work is on course to deliver an enablement date of the 31st of March, which is in between the targeted dates shown on the spreadsheet.
Keep checking the wholesale checker as the exchange may go live for 21CN before the end of the month, delays can push the date back.

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Standard User chris6273
(member) Thu 08-Mar-12 21:38:32
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I have found the Excel spreadsheet to be far more reliable that the Phone/ADSL Checker.

When my exchange was first due to be enabled back in on the 30/11/2011, the night it was supposed to be completed, the wholesale checker said my line could get 21CN at midnight, but a few minutes later it said came back and said it will be completed on the 31/12/2011.

When I came back the following night after midnight, I checked again and it had advanced to 1/1/2012. It kept doing that until the exchange was enabled.

I think on the 6/12/2011 when the December Wholesale Spreadsheet was released, it stated that my exchange would be completed by the 31/01/2012.

In the end it was stated as 'Enabled' on the 4th January 2012 according to the ADSL checker. I was switched over on the 21/02/2012. The February Datasheet was the first Datasheet which said the exchange was enabled for 21CN.


I would trust the excel spreadsheet for long term dates (For example if it has been planned for November, I would trust that) but if its within the "WBC ADSL2+ Earliest Enablement Date" and the "WBC ADSL2+ Latest Enablement Date", I would use the ADSL Checker, because the Datasheet is only updated monthly.

I'll also mention that most (if not all) ISPs who sell products over the BT Wholesale Network use the BTw ADSL Checker to see what your line is capable of. So if you need to recontract to get it, thats where they will check to see if its available.

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Standard User LadFromWales85
(committed) Thu 08-Mar-12 22:08:43
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March is not in between the targeted dates shown on the spreadsheet, though!

As posted in my last post, the dates that show in the excel spreadsheet are:
11/1/12 to 1/31/13, or 1st Nov 12 to 31st Jan 13! A good bit later than March this year! 7 to 10 months later...! frown

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Standard User ccxo
(committed) Fri 09-Mar-12 16:29:39
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Sorry i got the dates wrong, well looking at you're exchange Sam knows already says that Sky and TT llu are both avaliable, sky llu is very good and TT has good resellers of their llu product.

Their is a pretty good choice now and BT's 21CN offering will offer the same, so why not go with the 2 that are already present. Then switch to BT if you want when the exchange is finally enabled.

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Standard User LadFromWales85
(committed) Fri 09-Mar-12 22:35:58
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ccxo,
I switched one of my lines to Sky when the exchange got unbundled, and it was terrible. I synced at the full 19995 and saw kilobits during the evening and latency through the roof. Perhaps it's sorted by now, that being over a year ago, but it lasted months after I returned my line to BT/AAISP. Even for £7.50 a month I wasn't prepared to put up with that!

It effected all Sky/Easynet exchanges across North Wales, which were all fed from Manchester, the link was probably being hammered by the massive influx of new customers due to Sky unbundling so many exchanges at once.

The lack of even a single static IP, let alone IPv6, is a let down, also!

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 10-Mar-12 10:03:10
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In reply to a post by LadFromWales85:
but it lasted months after I returned my line to BT/AAISP.
In that case, it wasn't Sky but a problem with your line.



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Standard User LadFromWales85
(committed) Sat 10-Mar-12 14:35:23
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Hell of a conclusion to jump to?!

LOL, I either wrote my sentence incorrectly, or you misunderstood how I wrote it.
The problem at Sky, lasted months after I returned my line to BT/AAISP. As in, for months after I took my line back, there were many many complaints on Skyuser and Sky's own forums regarding throughput and latency issues. See here http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Broadband-Speed/Sky-...

For the record, during offpeak times on Sky, between midnight and 3PM, downstream speeds were in excess of 2MB/sec, or in excess of 16Mbit/sec, whichever you prefer.

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 10-Mar-12 15:05:27
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In reply to a post by LadFromWales85:
Hell of a conclusion to jump to?!

LOL, I either wrote my sentence incorrectly, or you misunderstood how I wrote it.
The problem at Sky, lasted months after I returned my line to BT/AAISP. As in, for months after I took my line back, there were many many complaints on Skyuser and Sky's own forums regarding throughput and latency issues. See here http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Broadband-Speed/Sky-...
Oh I see, you think there were problems for months after you left. There were no problems on my Sky connection, so my experience says you were mistaken.



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Unless you were both on the same exchange and using the same backhaul link, then it is entirely reasonable that both of you are right.

Since congestion on one exchange in one part of the country, does not equal congestion at another, and vice versa.

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Standard User LadFromWales85
(committed) Sat 10-Mar-12 16:16:20
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I am glad that you experienced no problems with your Sky connection, your experience is the same as that of most Sky users.
Sadly for me, Sky at my exchange and other exchanges fed from the same backhaul along North Wales, at around December 2010 to January 2011, produced a much less fortunate experience. There is plenty discussion about this on Sky's forum should you need more information.

I can imagine, over 12 months on, that any problems have long since been fixed. I can imagine that the number of exchanges in the area unbundled within a short time frame is mostly to blame.

I will hold fire with 20CN for now, and will upgrade to 21CN when it becomes available to me, or BE, whichever comes sooner, allowing me to remain with AAISP. If Sky offered to foot the bill of installing a line for it's service I'd consider it along side my current connections, but for now I'll continue plodding along on standard ADSL.

Of course, pound for pound, on throughput alone, your connection is vastly superior! smile

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Samknows is now updated to reflect the spreadsheet for my RFS date. Others may care to check if their exchange had changed.

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Bt Engineers locally claim circa 10k lines on SWPM... its hard to know, but certainly far more than the Sam Knows figure which seems to have not updated for at least 5 years despite lots of development here, in that time several areas served off of SWPM that have seen significant numbers of new builds or conversions, so the figure quoted to me by local engineers are very credible.

3 smaller exchanges in Pembrokeshire have/are about to have WBC, me - I voted with my feet last weekend and signed up to Vivaciti who can now offer unbundled services on Pembroke exchange (SWPM), so for the same money I should be seeing better speeds, and getting away from the yellow VPs that illustrate BTw's neglect here with no fix date published - drops to sub 1 meg speeds in the evening on a line that has an Ip profile of 6000 when connected to an IPSC node is below 75% loading is not (in my view) a broadband service performing within acceptable parameters. Tenby is even worse being red for some time now - and we are supposed to believe that BTw is treating all of its customers in an open handed way?

In the past time I have had BT supporters telling me that BTw need the income from people being connected to their services to generate the finance for upgrades, well where they have no competition it seems they are happy to take our money and invest that in other areas while we fell further behind and suffer slow unreliable services. No more for me... and others are taking the same route here now, why should we pay through the nose for a crawl while watching other areas getting upgrade after upgrade while BTw seem happy to allow our service to degrade to levels best described as "farce".

Its not just smaller exchnages that miss out it seems, and if there is a technical reason for this BTw would do themselves a lot of PR good if they explained the issues to those in the affected area inmstead of allowing us to feel that we have been deliberately passed over.... of course this may be the case... and I suspect that is the case in many places.

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