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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Mon 31-Oct-11 16:37:33
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BT fibre broadband cable UK rollout accelerated


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15518887

Telecoms provider BT is accelerating its fibre broadband rollout. It now plans to offer "super-fast" internet speeds to two-thirds of UK premises by the end of 2014.

The target is a year ahead of its original plan.



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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User RandomJointer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 31-Oct-11 21:17:57
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My money is on 2/3rds far quicker than 2014.

Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Nov-11 09:30:10
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Any thoughts on those exchanges with no planned FTTx date published?


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Standard User epyon
(member) Tue 01-Nov-11 09:33:13
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More than likely

they will be done late 2013 or after.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 09:49:11
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[re: b4dger] [link to this post]
 
If its a market 3 exchange then its a case of sit and wait generally

It is just like back in 2003/2004 when areas did not know about enablement dates for basic ADSL service

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 10:35:42
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If its a market 3 exchange then its a case of sit and wait generally

It is just like back in 2003/2004 when areas did not know about enablement dates for basic ADSL service


Market 3 here. Same situation. I'm using samknows only though. Got any links to 21CN / FTTx lists please?


Edit: Market 3, not 1. I keep confusing the numbers. Market 1 should be better, but it's not.

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”

Edited by camieabz (Tue 01-Nov-11 11:43:15)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 10:38:10
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https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefi...

Not the latest, but links to microsite that is best source for latest info, i.e. from horses mouth

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Nov-11 11:36:28
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In reply to a post by MrSaffron:
If its a market 3 exchange...
I wish! Ye Olde Market 1 frown
Each packet carved in stone...

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 11:41:53
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Rather poor lists if that's what's coming to Scotland (I didn't peek at Wales, but did notice Northern Ireland have plenty on one list):

Accepting orders: 18 / 634 (2.84%)

Coming Soon: 14 / 314 (4.46%)

Future Exchanges: 9 / 349 (2.58%)

Assuming there's no overlap on the lists, that's 41 / 1297 (3.16%)


Using:

http://www.ruralgateway.org.uk/sites/default/files/R...

6.47% of Scotland's population are 'remote-rural'.
11.94% are 'accessible-rural'.

The remainder of 81.59% are presumed non-rural. Weighing this into account, with the population 8.38% of the UK, 6.84% of the exchanges 'ought' to be listed. The rural aspect is not part of the equation imo.

6.84% vs 3.16%


In other words, Scotland's 'share of the pie' is less than half (46.2%) what it should be. If we also take into account the remote, rural areas (areas which would benefit massively from reasonable broadband) the figure is closer to a third (37.7%).

I find it strange that the very communities which would benefit the most from broadband are the ones being sidelined. Do the residents in the centres of large urban areas need to shop online, require online banking or online utility payments? Given that there are more 'walk-in' facilities in urban areas, the rural communities could do far better with faster broadband.

By the way, I'm not suggesting that every highland hamlet should have FTTH. 4 Meg would be fantastic. We seem to have an increasing series of broadband tiers. Superfast, fast, reasonable, slow, pathetic, none. While it's fair that business can drive urban broadband infrastructure, and rural areas can't get the same business investment, can't the monies from businesses across the country be more evenly divided?

If there's little or no chance of progress, there will be little demand. If however, it's possible, more people will demand progress. IMO the wholesalers are painting the picture as impossible in certain areas, and people there are forced to accept it (look at the sparse rollout of ADSL2+, versus the potential benefits and reasonable cost).

I don't expect the smaller countries to have more exchanges, but I do expect the percentages to be broadly in line with urban population demographics at least. Those numbers are quite depressing.

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User Oldjim
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 01-Nov-11 12:28:40
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But not necessarily all post codes within the exchange as I found out on Wimborne which is Market 3 where there are large swathes of the rural areas on that exchange currently excluded from the plans
Standard User Spikester84
(regular) Tue 01-Nov-11 13:47:52
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I live in Lossiemouth in the Highlands of Scotland, and find BT's rollout of Fibre Optic and 21CN (ADSL2+) rather puzzling.

Nairn, which is about half an hour away from me, is getting BT Infinity at the end of this year, when Elgin, which is a much much larger place than Nairn, and only about 20mins drive from Elgin, is left with nothing. Also a small rural town called Hopeman which is about a 5 minute drive away from me in Lossiemouth has just been upgraded to ADSL2+.

I have got in contact with BT to see if they will be upgrading the Lossiemouth exchange but they really know sweet eff all about anything. Im in Market 2 as well so I dont know if that improves my chances of getting BT's faster broadband!

Steve

P.S. Click on the town names to see there SamKnows info......

Edited by Spikester84 (Tue 01-Nov-11 13:49:33)

Standard User James8282
(learned) Tue 01-Nov-11 15:01:53
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So does that mean if your Exchange isn't enabled by 2014 its not gonna be upgraded?

Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 16:04:59
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Call me cynical, but I expect 2014 targets to be met (in that they are not too adventurous), but before then other targets added. Somewhere, someone has worked out which exchanges will give the best population per exchange to get the 80% on 10 Meg+ by 'x' year or 90% on broadband by 'x' year.

I think 100% on ADSL2+ or better by 2015 would be a more suitable target. That way, the limitations are down to distance from the exchange or individual wiring issues, rather than a national strategy shortfall. The wholesalers and the government can at least show willing, and many of the more remote areas will accept their lot due to their location.

Keep in mind that ADSLmax rolled out to most around 2005. Ten years later, and little improvement for many areas etc.

Here's my own situation. Market 3, accessible village. Population of less than 5000, less than 3000 residential premises and less than 100 commercial properties. However, I get 6.5 Meg and healthy pings. I will probably get 12-14 Meg on ADSL2+ (not sure of FTTx speeds). I am not particularly close to the exchange either.

I find it strange that a village which can get such speeds is bypassed for upgrades when it could certianly do with increased business investment (increased BB speeds would help in this case). Suffice it to say my village isn't that needy compared to others, but neither are those exchanges on the list it seems.

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User StephenNSFOC
(newbie) Tue 01-Nov-11 17:20:22
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I'm exactly the same, I live in Mosstodloch and I don't see why they would get faster broadband before Elgin.
Standard User epyon
(member) Tue 01-Nov-11 17:24:05
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I'm just up in aberdeen

only two exchanges here are being enabled

one in dec and one in march.

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Standard User geordiekris
(experienced) Tue 01-Nov-11 19:12:02
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Welcome to the digital devide !

i can say whatever i want as i no longer work for the [censored]!
Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:00:54
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In reply to a post by Spikester84:
I live in Lossiemouth in the Highlands of Scotland, and find BT's rollout of Fibre Optic and 21CN (ADSL2+) rather puzzling.


Lovely area - strange rollout. Forres has two exchanges in town (Findhorn and Forres) and the main Forres exchange now has LLU from TalkTalk and Sky/Easynet, but still no 21CN from BTwholesale.

BT's 20CN services are very poor in that area too, I'm tech lead on a project that has 8 lines.

I suspect some of the other smaller exchanges that have had TalkTalk LLU fitted, are connecting back to a bigger exchange. Maybe fibre down the A96 wink

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:03:26
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No you cannot assume that, as there is the BDUK and many county council projects to get superfast broadband to close to 90% of homes, i.e. 20 to 30% on top of BT coverage by 2014, and also ensure 100% coverage of 2Mbps

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:05:45
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BT has only ever said 66% of UK homes, not 66% of each country that makes up the UK

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:10:04
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The RAF base and its closure that was turned around may have something to do with it, not looked at the precise demographics for the area

BT is under no obligation to publish its commercial plans, we are lucky to get the few plans we get now.

Sometimes a co-operative local council can make a difference, i.e. cabinet locations where permission is not a problem.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:10:59
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pffft...another 5000 votes to the SNP right there. smile

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User adslmax
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 01-Nov-11 20:51:30
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I take it as my exchange cuckoo oak will never get a chance to get FTTC by 2014, never will. BT only enabled ADSL2+ but I just wish FTTC than ADSL2+.

plusnetADSL2+15 Meg
Standard User RandomJointer
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Nov-11 21:39:55
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In reply to a post by b4dger:
Any thoughts on those exchanges with no planned FTTx date published?


My thoughts are that Openreach will rush to 2/3rds as soon as possible as altco platforms don't want to rollout and compete with Openreach. So Openreach will want to get amongst the viable areas as soon as possible and leave altcos cold.

Then Openreach will be looking to hoover up final third money on the back of their experience, efficiency and number of providers signed up to the platform.

I have yet to see any rollout plans from altcos and the viable areas are shrinking daily.

Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 21:59:37
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Market 3, accessible village. Population of less than 5000, less than 3000 residential premises and less than 100 commercial properties. However, I get 6.5 Meg and healthy pings. I will probably get 12-14 Meg on ADSL2+
[Puzzled]
Why aren't you already on ADSL2+ on LLU? I have probably seen an explanation long ago, but forgotten.

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Standard User camieabz
(sensei) Tue 01-Nov-11 22:24:32
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In reply to a post by camieabz:
Market 3, accessible village. Population of less than 5000, less than 3000 residential premises and less than 100 commercial properties. However, I get 6.5 Meg and healthy pings. I will probably get 12-14 Meg on ADSL2+
[Puzzled]
Why aren't you already on ADSL2+ on LLU? I have probably seen an explanation long ago, but forgotten.


...that's what I'd like to know!

There's VM in some areas (why not all, I don't know), and Talk Talk (CPW) RFS date of 06/01/2012. I assume because there are other towns and villages nearby with more population/commerce, although they haven't been 21CN'ed yet either. Basically, I have a feeling that unless you're a City or place of affluent housing in Scotland, you're not likely to get upgraded.

(Lossiemouth is prolly the airbase, as already mentioned)

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Scottish Labour politician: “The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas.”

Interviewer: ”Is that a bad thing?”

Scottish Labour politician: “No, but they are doing it deliberately.”
Standard User Chrysalis
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 01-Nov-11 23:46:32
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any stats on rural/urban spread?

this rollout looks much higher rural than the initial adsl rollout.
Standard User orly
(fountain of knowledge) Wed 02-Nov-11 01:20:22
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I believe a lot of exchanges here in N.Ireland aren't on 21CN/WBC (which I believe is necessary for ADSL2+)

But just about all exchanges here have FTTC in some/all areas. So i'm sure it's possible.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 02-Nov-11 08:15:16
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The point of handover for FTTC/P does not have to be the local exchange, it can be one many miles away

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User Spikester84
(regular) Wed 02-Nov-11 11:56:38
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It cant just be cities and areas with large populations that is getting 21CN WBC, as I stated earlier Hopeman has just had there exchange upgraded, and they are right next to Lossiemouth, and probably dont even have a third of the population Lossiemouth has.

I thought that possibly with the RAF Base closing, that may be the reason why BT did no upgrade the exchange. But now that the Lossiemouth RAF base is staying open(and will be the only one in Scotland), with it being one of the biggest Air Bases in Britain, I presumed BT would want to upgrade that now???

Steve
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 02-Nov-11 12:25:04
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The reversal in base closure may have come too late for currently released plans...who knows it might be on future roll-out.

Until Openreach say that a batch of cabinets is the last from the commercial roll-out there is always scope for infill/additions

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Wed 02-Nov-11 23:36:45
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The reversal in base closure may have come too late for currently released plans...who knows it might be on future roll-out.


And Kinloss has (mostly) closed and Forres hasn't been upgraded, but Nairn has (further away) I'm wondering if actually there is something more complex in this rollout - such as where BTor has a larger exchange building and/or capacity to core networks.

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