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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Fri 11-May-12 15:08:41
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ADSL2+ on my looong rural line - UPDATE


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I was due to move from ADSL Max to ADSL2+ today at my recently 21cn wbc upgraded exchange

According to modem stats my line was moved at 09:45 from alcatel to Infineon cct

My line has improved with a download speed moving from 720kbs to 1230kbs so good news there (both at 6db snr)

However, I'm still on ADSL rather than 2+

Is the upgrade still in progress or does it look likely BT are not moving me over?

Thanks

PS I know the risk I'm taking with ADSL2+ just need to try it
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-May-12 15:16:12
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Full stats and the results of a BT speed test?

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Fri 11-May-12 15:27:48
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Down Up
Rate: 1472 kbs 448 kbs
Max Rate: 1372 kbs 488 kbs
Noise Margin: 6.0 dB 8.0 dB
Attenuation: 63.0 dB 31.5 dB
Output Power: 16.2 dBm 12.4 dBm

Protocol: G.DMT Annex A
Channel: Interleaved
DSLAM Vendor Information Country: {46336} Vendor: {IFTN} Specific: {48753 }
ATM PVC: 0/38

Rate Cap: 1372 kbs
Attenuation @ 300kHz: 63.0 dB
Uncanceled Echo: -13.2 dB Ok
VCXO Frequency Offset: 18.7 ppm Ok
Final Receive Gain: 34.5 dB Ok
Excessive Impulse Noise: 0 Ok


Actual att is 72.7db down from previous 75db

[IMG]http://www.speedtest.net/result/1944995662.png[/IMG]


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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-May-12 15:34:36
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Re: ADSL2+ on my looong rural line - UPDATE


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Were you told you were going to ADSL2+, or just your line was being upgraded to 21CN? In most cases everyone gets moved over to the new MSAN but left on ADSL, then some time later bulk upgrades are done when Openreach feel like it.

The ISP can get you upgraded earlier but it costs £11 the last I heard.

I was hoping to see the IP Profile from the BT test. That behaves differently. Probably doesn't matter though.

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Fri 11-May-12 15:40:29
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Download speed achieved during the test was - 0.9 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 0.8 Mbps-2 Mbps.
IP Profile for your line is - 1.3 Mbps

Got a mod from the BT forum to put the order in for me and it was clear he had ordered that according to his email

I'll chase up with him but just wanted to know if I was jumping the gun

Maybe now I'm on the new cct ADSL2+ can be enable remotely by him
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-May-12 17:50:32
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Definitely a WBC IP profile smile.

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Standard User mikebear
(newbie) Fri 11-May-12 18:28:29
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I have been on ADSL2+ connection for one month but have reverted to ADSL1 to avoid loss of sync every time the phone rings. So-far-so-good after 12 hours.

On the basis of only 3 speed tests the download speed is much as before at 3.4Mbps and the upload speed a little slower at 0.4 Mbps rather than 0.5Mbps.

I'll keep testing for the next few days and report back.

As to whether you have been changed, I had to change "Set Up" details in my router (Linksys WAG160N) from "ADSL2+" to "Multimode" in order to connect after the change back from ADSL2+.

I'm not sure but guess this applies to other routers.
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Fri 11-May-12 22:04:27
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Thanks

I did the round robin with 150 customer service and someone did say that I was on WBC but not ADSL2+ as it wasn't available (?)

Maybe when I can talk to the guy who put the order in for me I can jump the queue and get 2+
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Fri 11-May-12 22:06:26
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I have a 2Wire

From what I've googled so far, I think it should auto change to ADSL2+
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-May-12 23:24:47
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In reply to a post by KevG123:
I have a 2Wire

From what I've googled so far, I think it should auto change to ADSL2+
Not if his connection is set at G.DMT at the MSAN.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 11-May-12 23:27:10
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In reply to a post by KevG123:
Thanks

I did the round robin with 150 customer service and someone did say that I was on WBC but not ADSL2+ as it wasn't available (?)

Maybe when I can talk to the guy who put the order in for me I can jump the queue and get 2+
Sounds like first-line support with no knowledge of this process. More like what I said - waiting for a bulk (cheap) upgrade. So as you say, see if you can get onto the person you ordered through, but be prepared to pay the extra (one-off) charge for queue-jumping.

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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Tue 15-May-12 20:40:41
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According to modem stats my line was moved at 09:45 from alcatel to Infineon cct


so the move happened and the G.dmt is presumably the outcome of the negotiation betwixt modem and MSAN.

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MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Tue 15-May-12 22:24:42
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
According to modem stats my line was moved at 09:45 from alcatel to Infineon cct
so the move happened and the G.dmt is presumably the outcome of the negotiation betwixt modem and MSAN.
No.

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Wed 16-May-12 10:05:56
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I've been told that the order went in and I was moved to the 21CN cct(s) but as my speed was under 8Mb to start with then I was left on ADSL 'up to 8 Mb'

THey are now goingto specifically order 'up to 20Mb' which will force connection to ADSL2+

I'm chasing that to be done at the moment
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 16-May-12 10:45:49
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Your best option is probably ADSL2 rather than ADSL2+. It might just go down to that automatically, but you can force it with a suitable router. You could also ask for that to be set, but not all ISPs understand the question.

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Wed 16-May-12 10:48:27
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Thanks

I'll keep that in mind

I'm hoping the att will only go up around 2db in which case I *think* my 2Wire will cope

we shall see !
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 16-May-12 12:30:26
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so the line is moved onto new kit but not a new service ?

Didn't know they ran the old service on the new kit, customers generally seem to stay on old kit unless moved by ISP regrading to WBC product - are BT Retail selling two different WBC speeds ?

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Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Wed 16-May-12 13:20:23
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I think its because I have tried to jump the queue - exchange only just upgraded and no emails from BT or no knowledge from BT sales that ADSL2+ is available

There is another guy on the BT forums who has just been put onto 21CN at his exchange but is also still connected to ADSL only service

A BT forum moderator put the order in to move me to new 21cn cct but has to put an extra order in to get me on ADSL2+
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 16-May-12 13:59:51
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The range of WBC options which do cater for an ADSL service on WBC hardware are available to providers to pick from

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Wed 16-May-12 15:08:36
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Hopefully going live with ADSL2+ in the next 24hrs

I'll let you know how it goes with stats etc
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 16-May-12 15:52:55
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In reply to a post by yarwell:
so the line is moved onto new kit but not a new service ?

Didn't know they ran the old service on the new kit, customers generally seem to stay on old kit unless moved by ISP regrading to WBC product - are BT Retail selling two different WBC speeds ?
I may be getting mixed up between two aspects of this, but it seems that quite often on WBC-enablement of an exchange users can be moved from the old DSLAM onto an MSAN simply as an technical move. No service upgrade. Then (if the ISP requests?) a bulk system upgrade is carried out on a phased basis to ADSL2+.

Certainly the upgrades to ADSL2+ are done on this phased basis. My possible confusion that I referred to is whether the physical connection move and the ADSL2+ upgrades are simultaneous. I don't think it normally is.

It is possible for a user to be upgraded before the bulk job by the ISP paying £11 for that connection to be sooner.

Then we get oddities like Plusnet who have a default 448kbps upstream cap on ADSL2+ connections unless the customer requests it be uncapped. At which point they are warned this could destabilise the line. crazy.

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Thu 17-May-12 10:11:27
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Changeover took place at 1am this morning

Modem log shows ADSL2+ appear but changed to ADSL2 straight away

Actual Line att is 72.9db rather than what is shown below

No resets since the 1am changover

Rate: 1562 kbs 491 kbs
Max Rate: 1493 kbs 492 kbs
Noise Margin:6.5 dB 6.1 dB
Attenuation: 63.0 dB 43.3 dB
Output Power:16.5 dBm 12.5 dBm

Protocol: G.DMT2 Annex A
Channel: Interleaved



Download speed achieved during the test was - 1.27 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 0.8 Mbps-2 Mbps.
IP Profile for your line is - 1.38 Mbps



Upload speed achieved during the test was - 0.35Mbps
Additional Information:
Upstream Rate IP profile on your line is - 0.83 Mbps
Standard User hareng
(regular) Thu 17-May-12 14:11:24
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Thats the closest attenuation i have seen to mine though slightly better than when i was on ADSL2+

Interestingly i had line length just short of 6km from exchange with aluminium cable coming out at 75db attn. Throughput of 1.7meg on a good day. Your noise margin and Output power identical from memory.

Keep us informed how stable it is or not. I rarely had a connection due to dropouts more so over winter or wet and windy days.
Best of luck
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Thu 17-May-12 14:25:55
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Thanks

I'll be keeping a close eye on it over the coming days and will post updates
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Thu 17-May-12 16:01:42
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Looks a lot better than what you used to have smile. Good luck. I'm away for a fortnight starting tomorrow.

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Standard User KevG123
(regular) Thu 17-May-12 17:08:52
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Thanks, appreciated

Maybe a little over the top being so pleased with 1.3Mb but its been a long haul to get there smile
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Fri 18-May-12 13:25:35
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Certainly the upgrades to ADSL2+ are done on this phased basis. My possible confusion that I referred to is whether the physical connection move and the ADSL2+ upgrades are simultaneous. I don't think it normally is.


Not sure. Old style connections certainly continue on the old kit when exchanges get additional MSAN installations, as opposed to the full 21CN conversion of the whole exchange. Entanet for example don't / didn't move you over.

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Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Fri 18-May-12 13:36:17
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So I see from http://www.sinet.bt.com/472v1p13.pdf

a WBC Max option has appeared since the original WBC product set, with a field to limit it to G992.1.

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Phil

MaxDSL - goes as fast as it can and doesn't read the line checker first.

MaxDSL diagnostics
Standard User KevG123
(regular) Sat 26-May-12 12:20:16
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12 days connection and have a solid connection of around 1.2Mb down

Just a handful of resets where ADSL2+ tries to kick in but immediately settles on ADSL2

So, all this chasing BT was very worthwhile for mesmile
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