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Standard User babis3g
(learned) Mon 14-Jan-13 02:50:54
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No more Internet service?


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Hi all
Perhaps most of you are aware about the new BT whole sale checker
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/adslchecker.welcome
New look and now will state (for the ones having a cabinet) the number of the cabinet

While was checking in past if any updates for unlucky guys like me, with direct line to exchange...i notice this morning that will not state any product for my address like in the past (was adsl up to 19mb) and also something saying about stopping sales

Is that means they will close down adsl servise as i am still with contract under TT?

The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 31-Dec-2013. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2012; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2013.


and here the new look with the same info
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q631/babis3g/Btc...

Thanks

Edited by babis3g (Mon 14-Jan-13 02:56:27)

Standard User David_W
(experienced) Mon 14-Jan-13 03:15:31
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Datastream and IPstream are the old 20CN up to 8Mbit products. They are obsolete on exchanges with any 21CN capability, as yours must have if you have a 19Mbit ADSL2+ service over the BT Wholesale system. BT intend to retire these products so that they can stop maintaining the old 20CN network links, stop worrying about obtaining parts for now obsolete equipment and can use recovered equipment as a source for spares for those exchanges yet to be upgraded to 21CN.

The address checker is nowhere near as reliable as searching using a telephone number. Assuming your number is recognised, what is shown when you search by number?
Standard User babis3g
(learned) Mon 14-Jan-13 03:27:49
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Thanks for fast reply
Phone number they don't recognise it because is been given new from TT
So from what you saying adsl 2 plus still OK

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Standard User David_W
(experienced) Mon 14-Jan-13 03:35:30
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There should be no problem getting BT Wholesale ADSL2+ service if that is available from the exchange.

TalkTalk typically provide service using full LLU, which means that both voice and ADSL are provided using TalkTalk equipment and the line is unknown to BT Wholesale.
Standard User babis3g
(learned) Mon 14-Jan-13 03:36:44
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Ah that is making even more clear
Thanks for your time and best wishes
Babis

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 11:33:52
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In reply to a post by David_W:
They are obsolete on exchanges with any 21CN capability, as yours must have if you have a 19Mbit ADSL2+ service over the BT Wholesale system.
OP says he is getting 19 Meg from TT. So he is on TT's ADSL2+ LLU, but his exchange could still be 20CN and then he wouldn't be able to get 19 Meg from BTw.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 11:44:10
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In reply to a post by babis3g:
Is that means they will close down adsl servise as i am still with contract under TT?
No! Those results have nothing to do with TT if you are getting 19 Meg from them on ADSL2+ LLU. They are only relevant to BT and other BTw ISPs, like Plusnet & EE.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 14-Jan-13 11:48:42
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If the exchange was pure 20CN (with people like TalkTalk doing LLU) then there would be no withdrawal date yet.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 16:03:27
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Ah, OK! I just wondered whether it was a blanket disclaimer.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 14-Jan-13 16:32:27
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The dates vary per exchange, I did check a few permutations before my news item.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User babis3g
(learned) Mon 14-Jan-13 17:29:40
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Hi
Note i just clicked reply to a random edit tab and personally dont mean to a specific user

once i see more reply's and THANKS for that are all welcome ... was estimating speed before the checker update 11-19mb (older version)
TT was claiming 14 mb (when singed up)

my modem stats from a draytek 2850n is below
Note usually draytek is synchronizing with 15.000 (same as the dsl 2680 TT supplied modem but i have seen both go and up to 16.000 untweaked both just the draytek can take some other firmwares codes for compability and is not tweaked firmwares as they dont tweak their modems like billion 7800 )
but last night (not sure if the snow or weather changes cost to make any changes) so got about 5 disconnections (with the draytek) where at this rate 13.000 stayed very stable with no drops there after

ADSL Information ( ADSL Firmware Version: 211011_A)
ATM Statistics TX Cells RX Cells TX CRC errs RX CRC errs
170353 11158707 0 5865
ADSL Status Mode State Up Speed Down Speed SNR Margin Loop Att.
ADSL2+(G.992.5) SHOWTIME 1019968 13008708 10 36


Telnet stats before the 5 reboots
http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q631/babis3g/tel...

Use fast path and SNr set at 9db, loop attenuator 29 (the current loop 36 is because i am using a different draytek firmware modem code that suppose to make little more stable the 2850)
At TT LLU is infineon and 2850n uses ADI chippest which seems fine with TT equipment

I have also tested a billion 7800 (unteaked) and getting max 14000 broadcom and an asus N55U (untweaked again) which also getting 14000 maximum Ralink)

Connection EO exchange direct (no cabinet) at 2.400 meters away (told by BT openreach engineer when done the instillation

Here my exchange
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/CLKEN

It is 21cn enable and apart the information i have posted (about stats and different modem info i have tested) just for education reasons .... my question for posting again is

How will understand if i am connected all ready with 21cn??they do automatic?or TT has let me out and forgot me?

sorry for silly asking still learning few bits

Thaks

Edited by babis3g (Mon 14-Jan-13 17:42:38)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 14-Jan-13 18:00:08
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TalkTalk has its own ADSL2+ hardware at the exchange and will thus be connecting you to their own hardware and backhaul.

So the changes/date in the checker have no bearing on you.

Your telephone is also with TalkTalk and thus nothign to do with BT Wholesale.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 14-Jan-13 19:40:03
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In reply to a post by babis3g:
How will understand if i am connected all ready with 21cn??they do automatic?or TT has let me out and forgot me?
As I told you earlier, 21CN has nothing to do with TT. Nobody's forgotten you. TT just don't care a fig about 21CN as they have their own kit (LLU) at the exchange that does more or less the same as 21CN.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
Standard User babis3g
(learned) Tue 15-Jan-13 01:39:54
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Little slower but his time got it all...understood clearly now

Thanks for your time helping about me

The forum should have Bonus and Reputation facility

Some members they deserve it

See you all around...Babis

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 15-Jan-13 04:45:29
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You're welcome!

Sell me something on eBay and award +ve Feedback grin

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 19 Meg WBC
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