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Standard User matthewcl375
(member) Mon 11-Mar-13 00:55:45
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
@XRaySpeX I don't mean on the Kitz website, I mean I spoke to Kitz in person and she said that. She has had the same problem, where the output power was reduced after a power surge, bringing down her sync. I'll link you to the thread

Here

P.s. if you don't like what I'm posting you don't have to reply to my questions, I know they are many but a little patience can go a long way

Edited by matthewcl375 (Mon 11-Mar-13 01:08:58)

Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 11-Mar-13 01:22:12
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


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That's a very interesting issue mentioned by Kitz regarding very short lines - I didn't know that.

Thanks for the link to that thread smile
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Mar-13 01:37:33
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


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Interesting, but I don't think that Kitz's power outage incident reflects your new cable from pole event. She was back to normal after the event within 24 hours w/out any intervention and that was back in 2008. It was just a temporary glitch and not ongoing like yours; it was not the normal behaviour of power levels.

I note that no one considered the real possibility that you are on an ADSL Max like profile on WBC and all assumed that you were still connected to 20CN kit. More likely now than in 2008.

You are to be congratulated on the clarity of your explanation in that thread smile

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

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Standard User matthewcl375
(member) Mon 11-Mar-13 01:51:27
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
Yeah, whilst my problem is different to hers, it still doesn't change the fact my output power is weirdly low... No wonder I can't get a full sync!

@XRayspeX doesn't the way my IPP takes 3 days to update suggest that I'm on 20CN kit?
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Mar-13 02:05:10
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[re: matthewcl375] [link to this post]
 
Yes. 'tis possible! On WBC it would normally be an immediate 88.2% of Sync.

But I don't think we know enough about how a WBC ADSL Max like profile operates, except that they exist. The IPP recovery time might be linked to the desire to conform to the old stepwise IPPs. So nowt is certain!

We'll only know till after you get switched and see if you continue having weird stats or not. So let's just wait?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User 4M2
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 11-Mar-13 02:07:33
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


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In reply to a post by matthewcl375:
...everywhere else I look, people with short lines (attenuation below 10db) seem to have output power of 15+db, whereas mines only 13.8db...


If you have seen output power of 15dB and higher on lines with an attenuation of 10dB and lower, then 13.8dB on your attenuation of 6dB perhaps looks about right? Obviously I don't want to contradict Kitz's experience since I have no first hand knowledge of short lines but maybe your observations do suggest that your output power is not excessively low...
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Mar-13 02:14:44
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Further on that point:
In reply to a post by matthewcl375:
everywhere else I look, people with short lines (attenuation below 10db) seem to have output power of 15+db, whereas mines only 13.8db
Did you happen to notice whether that were running max syncs of 8128K or 7616K?

You do realise that when you get on ADSL2+ you attenuation will increase to ~9dB?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 11-Mar-13 02:49:58
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


[re: matthewcl375] [link to this post]
 
Consider why does BTw bother offering quasi ADSL Max on WBC kit.

Cuz the nationwide price list to ISPs of ADSL Max is less than for WBC ADSL2 and some ISPs particularly LLU ones want to pay less outside their area so as to provide nationwide coverage.

So you pay less you get less incl. the laggy stepwise IPP which is probably part of the spec of ADSL Max.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User matthewcl375
(member) Mon 11-Mar-13 03:07:59
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


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Yes, what I mean is that was the output power for people who were getting their full 8128, as in kitz's case, and her line is even shorter than mine so if she needed 18db or so to achieve max sync, I would think I would need about the same.. Or quite possibly more. That's the theory anyway tongue

And yes I've been told my attenuation will increase by a small amount after the switch

Edited by matthewcl375 (Mon 11-Mar-13 03:10:05)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 11-Mar-13 08:45:59
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Re: Will switching ISP get me a better sync?


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On a line that is wbc but max profile not seen indications of old style ip progile behaviour

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