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Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Fri 14-Mar-14 16:48:30
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New Footprint Exchange


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Is anyone familiar with the term "New Footprint Exchanges"?
Our local exchange has just had an FTTC upgrade due to BDUK. Quite a number of us here are on the dreaded "Exchange Only Lines" but are shown on our council's website as expected to get Superfast Broadband this year.

Over the last few days the BT wholesale site shows our exchange (EMLNGBU) as:

"Currently closed whilst planned re-engineering work is completed as
per industry briefings for all New Foot Print Exchanges delivered in
13/14 programme "

Do you think this sounds encouraging for us "Exchange Only" types or could the re-engineering work be something totally unrelated to fibre?
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 14-Mar-14 17:00:36
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Probably just means fibre foot print (fibre footprint) shows lots of hits on Google and makes more sense.

Generally EO lines and their new cabinet are dealt with after the bulk of standard cabinets are done in an area and a lot will depend on the size of the EO foot print.

Having had a peek at the area, it looks pretty small and with around 2000 lines spread out over 8 cabinets, the amount of EO is dangerously small (think around 60 premises), and unless you have it written in blood I would be betting that the EO lines will be missed out on that exchange. i.e. too few to make a new cabinet worthwhile, best chance is if they can re-engineer network to add them to a nearby cabinet. In theory possible but done rarely.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/6324-next-round-o...
Northamptonshire is trying to work to very high levels of coverage, maybe even 100%, but the less standard premises may end up having to wait a few years.

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Standard User Storm_Force
(newbie) Fri 14-Mar-14 21:23:19
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Re: New Footprint Exchange


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Sorry to hi-jack this thread, my exchange Hatherleigh WWHATH has just been upgraded to fibre via connecting Devon and Somerset BDUK. I am on a dreaded EO line and from what I can gather so is the majority of the town.

(however when I asked CDAS they said FTTP would you used in some area's on EO Lines, however no more detail than that)

Could you look up for me the rough number of EO lines?

Thanks

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Fri 14-Mar-14 22:58:58
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I can try and figure it out. Fttp is an option but likely to be a late phase ie once bulk of other work is done and spare money left. More labour with fttp which ups the cost

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
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Standard User Storm_Force
(newbie) Sat 15-Mar-14 20:52:05
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Re: New Footprint Exchange


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OK thanks that would be great, cab 3 is due to go live by July which serves the Petrockstowe area the fibre to feed this will run under the road outside my house....... wonder if they could split me off a line LOL!!!
Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Sun 16-Mar-14 14:11:04
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I don't have any confirmation other than the Superfast Northamptonshire postcode map saying planning is underway and it's likely to be available in 2014. I emailed them to say " We're on an exchange only line... are you sure we're getting fibre?"

They replied that the map is accurate, but subject to the usual "plans might change due to unforeseen circumstances".

I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 16-Mar-14 16:24:04
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Does the map identify each postcode/street individually or just coloured areas?

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Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Sun 16-Mar-14 17:32:16
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It's divided into postcodes and coloured in according to what the plans are (up to 2017).
Superfast Northamptonshire postcode map

Some postcodes cover only a handful of properties and have a separate colour to those surrounding them (which suggests quite good accuracy) but others for example, High Street (NN6 7RE) are showing as Green (available in parts of postcode) when many premises are exchange only and BT DSL Checker shows as Fibre not available.

I've been trying to figure out where a cabinet could go, or even if FTTP is on the cards.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 17-Mar-14 10:03:02
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Those divisions look more like

AB1 type postcodes rather than a full seven digit AB12 3CD style

http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/images/northamptonshire... shows what I figured. FTTP in terms of small numbers of properties 30 to 40 in a cluster is feasible, but question will be the cost.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Mon 17-Mar-14 10:09:02
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Of the 1000 or so premises around 250 to 300 are Exchange Only lines and its 3 or 4 cabinets on the exchange.

One cluster is Iddesleigh and most of the Eastern side of Harthleigh

Cab 1 and 4 done via the project but the much smaller cabinet 3 has been missed out so far. Down to how the spending goes for the easier cabinets I'd say.

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
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Standard User Storm_Force
(newbie) Mon 17-Mar-14 22:06:21
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Thanks for the info Andrew, I have just checked the latest postcode spreadsheet from CDAS and cab 3 is due by July this year, do you know the location of cab 2 (no info about it on CDAS?)

Also what is slightly confusing is there is a green cabinet in my road EX20 3JT however the obviously isn't a PCP as I first thought as I was hoping this was where my line connected to.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 17-Mar-14 22:09:29
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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Mon 17-Mar-14 22:10:15
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In reply to a post by Storm_Force:
... there is a green cabinet in my road EX20 3JT however the obviously isn't a PCP ...
Is it on this page?

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Standard User Storm_Force
(newbie) Tue 18-Mar-14 21:27:26
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Here it is here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@50.823617,-4.071404,3a,...
Standard User Ribble
(experienced) Wed 19-Mar-14 08:36:03
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Not a BT cabinet.
PCP 2
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 19-Mar-14 11:01:12
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You sure that is not PCP 3?

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Standard User Storm_Force
(learned) Thu 20-Mar-14 21:54:29
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Yes that is PCP3, I drove past it the other day and it has a 3 on the outside. Where do you guys look up the acutally PCP locations?

Andrew the link I gave for the green cab in my road any idea's what that is?
Standard User chris6273
(committed) Thu 20-Mar-14 22:33:18
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Re: New Footprint Exchange


[re: Snowstorm] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Snowstorm:
Is anyone familiar with the term "New Footprint Exchanges"?
Our local exchange has just had an FTTC upgrade due to BDUK. Quite a number of us here are on the dreaded "Exchange Only Lines" but are shown on our council's website as expected to get Superfast Broadband this year.

Over the last few days the BT wholesale site shows our exchange (EMLNGBU) as:

"Currently closed whilst planned re-engineering work is completed as
per industry briefings for all New Foot Print Exchanges delivered in
13/14 programme "

Do you think this sounds encouraging for us "Exchange Only" types or could the re-engineering work be something totally unrelated to fibre?


Something tells me it's possibly similar to what they were doing to our exchange; they have recently rolled out FTTC (Still running the fibre) and have also plonked a cabinet opposite the exchange (1415 lines I believe) on the other side of the road.

Bearing in mind there are only 2 (To my knowledge) cabinets in the village, I bet it's something to do with FTTC.

Only thing is I don't recall the Checker ever saying it was closed, but then again yours is 3 months ahead of ours as far as planning goes. They will still have to do all the wiring.

On the other hand it could be just them improving/reorganizing kit inside the exchange as the equipment they install for FTTC can be large if you have a lot of cabinets on your exchange (And it's small).

Have you noticed a cabinet(s) popping up near your exchange?

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Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Sun 30-Mar-14 05:21:12
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No new cabinets have popped up since the first batch back in October.

Some news from Superfast Northamptonshire though in their latest newsletter. They specifically mention (for the first time) exchange only lines and mention their solution involves building new cabinets as we'd hoped. They mention these are left until later phases as they require more work obviously, but we remain in a zone marked "expected 2014"

I've been trying to figure out where the new cabinet is likely to be, as the street where the exchange is located NN6 7RL (and a few other small streets) have a later planned availability date than ours.

The village telephone exchange used to be (pre 1970's and before my time) just off our street so I wonder if the bulk of the exchange only lines still run under our road and for some technical reason that's where the cabinet has to be rather than at the new site? As you can probably tell I'm not a telecoms expert.
Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Fri 18-Apr-14 19:47:59
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Roadworks.org is showing planned BT activity on land around 100 metres from our local exchange, so it looks like us exchange only lines may benefit soon.

Ours was one of the "New Footprint Exchanges" closed to new WBC connections for around 3 weeks for planned re-engineering works, so maybe that was related.
Standard User Storm_Force
(learned) Sat 14-Jun-14 20:09:03
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Cab 1 and 4 done via the project but the much smaller cabinet 3 has been missed out so far. Down to how the spending goes for the easier cabinets I'd say.


Drove past cab 3 today and the fibre cabinet has been installed next to it! surprised they have done this before the EO lines in Hatherleigh as from what I can make out it serves a small amount of premises compared to the EO ones.

Any idea's where PCP2 is located to? (if there is a PCP2)
Standard User Snowstorm
(newbie) Fri 01-Aug-14 16:02:09
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Just a quick update. We were on the "exchange closed for new footprint re-engineering work" back in April 2014. Shortly afterwards a new green cabinet appeared.
We went back on the list in July 2014 and now it looks like it's fibre twin is going in. The Roadworks.org website shows work on "PCP9" starts in September. So finally it looks like good news for us exchange only types.
Standard User bit_bucket
(newbie) Mon 04-Aug-14 19:55:00
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Sorry, only just noticed your post.
PCP2 used to be on the road from Hatherleigh to Monkoakhampton, at the junction with a lane to Iddesleigh that forks off to the north-east.
Quite a bit of excavation work was done on the E-side a few years ago and, iirc, all of the subs, to what was then PCP2, were re-designated EO at or about the same time.
tbh I can't remember if the cab was recovered or left in situ as a glorified joint box, or just left there as a shell.

Trev
Standard User Storm_Force
(learned) Mon 04-Aug-14 21:32:53
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Brillaint news snowstorm!

Thanks for you info bit_tucker I had a look earlier and yes the cabinet is still there! however nothing inside as you state (the door was unlocked) just a load of BT covers in the verge now. WHY OR WHY would BT remove a cab to make it EO!!!
Did there ever used a be a PCP in Oakfield Road? There is a green cabinet (which is old) https://www.google.com/maps/@50.823559,-4.071368,3a,...

I know my line is EO, however some good news is that this area of Hatherleigh is under evaluation via the CDAS bduk and I do know some survery work has been done regarding the EO lines.
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