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Standard User metalhead41
(knowledge is power) Tue 18-Sep-12 21:53:24
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My nan dug out her old Pentax Me Super with 50mm lens the other week, so I thought it would be rude not to try it out. So after getting some new batteries and finding a supermarket that still sell films I was good to go laugh

It was rather interesting going back and playing with a fully manual camera where you can't review your shots and have to rely on manual focus, it makes you think a lot more about each shot you are going to take.

I'm waiting for the photos to be developed, but once they are (and if they aren't too bad) I'll get some posted up on here.

Questions of the day though had to go to my cousin who asked such classics as "how do you see the pictures?", "where does it plug into the computer?" and "what megapixel is that?" laugh

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Tue 18-Sep-12 22:46:44
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finding a supermarket that still sell films

Quite a rare thing these days, my son has an Olympus Trip and an Ashai Pentax SLR. Have found the cheapest place for film to be the local 'pound' shop. You'll never guess how much they are ! smile Cheap developing is the next hunt.

Standard User metalhead41
(knowledge is power) Tue 18-Sep-12 23:33:22
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I picked up a pack of 3x24 fuji films (iso 200) for £1.60ish from Morrisons, not bad I thought laugh

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Standard User bigluap
(learned) Wed 19-Sep-12 04:33:14
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ME Super is not fully manual for that you want the MX.

The ME super was the first Pentax to have a top shutter speed of 1/2000th of a second, with Shutter priority, Aperture Priority, Fully Automatic & Manual.

Which I put to good use when in the army in Germany when attached to the army air corps. I manage to take one on the first pictures of the new Lynx in flight & freeze the main rotor blades. It sold very well over the following years, copies are scattered all over the world. One 60cm x 90cm is in Texas. The biggest size I could get printed without golf balling effect.

As to the Megapixel question they have previously a 35mm negative contains the equivalent of 30 MP.

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Standard User Lazza
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 22-Sep-12 16:22:57
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Decent camera the ME, had one for a few years and Pentax have a huge array of really great lenses.

I still shoot film almost daily myself (mainly Leica M6/M2) and a lot of medium format these days, Rolleiflex & Mamiya 645 Pro TL. Just did a recent portrait shoot using the Mamiya and also shot a few using my Sony NEX-7 too. As good as the superb NEX-7 is when compared to the neg scans from the Mamiya and resulting 12x16 prints you just had to laugh at the digital images. Kodak Portra 160 blew the digital images out of the planet, never mind the water!

If you are looking for film supplies then either www.silverprint.co.uk or the nearest Calumet store is usually my first port of call. smile

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 23-Sep-12 00:00:20
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OK, cheers for that, good deal, and a Morrison's not far from here either.

On another point, I got given one of these the other day, for my son to tinker with, anyone got any experience/advice for this beast ?

Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 23-Sep-12 02:37:09
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
anyone got any experience/advice for this beast ?
  • Do not use film faster than ISO 100. The camera won't handle it owing to the slow shutter speeds.
  • Use an exposure meter for correct exposure. If you don't have one, use an exposure guide. For example, for bright sunlight, set the camera to 1/125 at f/16 for ISO 100 film. If overcast, use f/11.
  • Use a tripod if you have one. If not, support the camera in some way. I wouldn't do hand-held.
  • Do not get close to your subjects. This camera is designed for long shots.
  • Always point the camera at the horizon (i.e. keep it level) to avoid distortion.
  • You may have difficulty getting prints made. Try Jessops.
  • You should be able to use the Pentax as a light meter providing it has auto-exposure. Just set the film speed to ISO 100 and the shutter speed to 1/125 and read off the the aperture setting. You won't even need to put film in the camera.
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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 23-Sep-12 13:34:17
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Cheers for that. I shall pass this on to no.1 son. smile

Standard User MHC
(legend) Sun 23-Sep-12 14:58:34
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To add to Mick's comments. When sending the film for processing specify that you do not want teh negatives cut but left in a roll, otherwise teh machine can slice straiight through an image as they are wider than standard.


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Standard User micksharpe
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 23-Sep-12 15:09:39
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Excellent point. You must make it absolutely clear to the lab that the frame size is non-standard (24mm x 58mm). I would even go as far as including a note with the film--put both in a zip-lok bag. This is one reason why I would use Jessop's rather than some street-corner photo-shop.

I've just noticed that the camera has a 1/250 shutter speed. This means that you could load ISO 200 film at a pinch but I would stick with ISO 100 myself.

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Standard User Old_Git
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 20-Oct-12 04:45:09
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Funny, I've been playing with an ME Super myself lately. Mainly with Ilford and an orange filter.

Some of my recent me super snaps: http://www.flickr.com/photos/trojanllama/sets/721576...

Standard User Aliturk
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 20-Oct-12 05:24:07
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One thing I'm noticing a lot in London is the amount of young people walking around with film SLRs - minoltas, nikons, pentax. I don't know if they find this a novelty, whether it's for student projects and whether they'll find access to good film scanning too much trouble or expensive but one can't help noticing how nice and elegant these cameras look. I know snappy snaps do scanning, but the quality is pretty average.

I'm actually tempted myself to get a film SLR
Standard User Old_Git
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 20-Oct-12 19:59:49
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I've been using Poundland for films! Agfa and Kodak at ASA 200, 24 and 36 exposure a quid a piece. I've seen the same Kodak rolls elsewhere for £3.49and £2.49!

Cheap developing. Some people opt for buying Ilford B&W in bulk online. Develop their own, and then use a film scanner. I've not yet got around to developing my own, but I have bought a Canoscan 5600F, which is a flatbed / CCD combo scanner. Very slow, but I can make high resolutions scans from negatives. I don't need prints or CDs now. I can scan them better.

As for developing, for colour, I use a local independent developer with a working minilab. He charges me two quid for either 24 or 36 exposure no prints. I can now scan them myself on the Canoscan. He also develops B&W the 'old way', but tends to bodge them up with hard water, so I'm going to try http://www.ag-photolab.co.uk/bw-film-process-only-94... for my next B&W negs.

The colours - using Poundland film and my local developer, on 36 exposure works out 8p per exposure.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sat 20-Oct-12 21:57:51
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Thanks. No.1 son is now able to get free B&W from his college, and is just learning how to develop the stuff himself ....

Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sat 20-Oct-12 22:01:52
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Son's AS level group had a field trip in London last week, so I suppose multiply that by a fair few colleges, and there's your answer.
(he was the lanky git with the Pentax Spotmatic 2.) smile

Standard User Aliturk
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 20-Oct-12 22:47:44
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I notice a lot of them seem to be of far-eastern origin.

I came across this site earlier. I'd be tempted to get an OM1. It does seem as if film sales have bottomed out. Getting it processed has probably become a nice little earner for those that still do it. Problem is getting decent scans. I did have a Nikon Coolscan film scanner which I sold and I bitterly regret going so

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Standard User Zarjaz
(knowledge is power) Sun 21-Oct-12 08:41:06
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Have had a fair degree of success getting them done at our local Asda, they will also, for a little more, do you a CD at the same time.

Standard User Old_Git
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 21-Oct-12 21:46:50
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Here are a few recent scans from the Canoscan 5600F. It's very slow, but I can scan some lovely high resolution images on the CCD. These were from old negatives taken during the late 1990s with a compact autofocus 35mm camera. Family snapshots - but really please with the scans.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/trojanllama/sets/721576...

As for film being dead - I don't think so. The lomo and toy camera craze is setting in. I bought the girlfriend a brand new Diana Mini toy camera recently. Takes 35mm. The bummer is that it exposes in squares rather than the usual rectangular exposures, and this confuses the minilabsthat chop the prints to pieces, and splices through exposures. So now I ask for unspliced roll, and scan them myself.

I can scan far better than the offerings given by most developers on CDs.

Standard User Aliturk
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 22-Oct-12 13:17:40
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I can scan far better than the offerings given by most developers on CDs.


Yes i did too, hence the regret over selling my scanner. I don't think film is dead, I think it's bottomed out. If people want their film images just for web use, then there are loads of options. But if people want serious quality and to get the best out of their negs, then a professional high rez scan to tiff or a high quality film scanner are the only options.

It's interesting that Jessops are selling a range of dedicated film scanners, some with digital ICE. I wonder what their market is for these. It must be worth their while.
Standard User TLM
(legend) Sun 04-Nov-12 23:59:45
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I really liked NOT being able to see what you get, and having to think carefully, to avoid wasting film. It was always exciting getting them developed - or developing them yourself, if you were that adventurous, which I've only done a few times, at night class.

Although there was always the odd disappointment ("Light was too low after all", or "Damn camera strap got in the way!"), there was the delight of things coming out better than expected, too - sometimes effects you hadn't been planning for.

I still have my old 35mm, and haven't the heart to throw it away. It's amazing what a talking point it is, on the rare occasions I still take it out. Strangers come up to me, and say: "Wow! You still have one of THOSE!".

It's vintage, but hardly antique, dating from around the late 80s (1980s, in case you're wondering wink ) It's incredible how something that was once everywhere is now regarded as a museum piece, in a little over 20 years.

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