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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 10:18:48
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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Is there anyone that has started using a Billion 7800N having previously used a BT 2700HGV? Did it manage a sync as good as the 2700HGV did?

I'm interested in getting this router as I find the web interface on the 2700HGV to be a bit of a pain to manage, but it maintains excellent sync compared to other routers I've tried (in excess of an extra 1 mbit).


It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile

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Standard User Aaron_01
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 15:49:41
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile


Thanks for you reply. I do have a stability issue on my line, if it counts as one - any sync made in the daytime doesn't hold overnight, even on the 2700HGV. I would have to do a sync at around 5pm (sunset) and it holds for months long. If the 2700HGV allowed me to set a target SNR of 7db I am pretty confident a daytime sync would hold overnight.

Sounds like an idea getting it from Amazon then returning it. Does the BIllion allow me to increment the target db by +1? I've only seen values such as +3 but a target of 9db would be a bit detrimental to my sync speed.

IDNet Home Max 4.0Mbps
BT 2700HGV v6

Edited by Aaron_01 (Fri 11-Mar-11 15:50:37)

Standard User undecidedadrian
(learned) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:39:31
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: Anonymous] [link to this post]
 
is it the same firmware that is from the UK site?

http://www.billion.uk.com/esupport/index.php?_m=down...

although the release notes are fairly technical and it didn't say IPv6 in them.


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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:47:42
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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is it the same firmware that is from the UK site?

http://www.billion.uk.com/esupport/index.php?_m=down...

although the release notes are fairly technical and it didn't say IPv6 in them.


No, its only Billion Australia website which has the latest firmware 1.06b-6 which enables ipv6 (Billion UK only has 1.06b)
http://au.billion.com/product/wireless/fd_wireless/b...

I personally wouldn't try the australian firmware on my 7800N, better to wait for the UK website to release 1.06b-6 or 1.07 Shouldn't be too long now smile

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:56:17
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: Aaron_01] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Aaron_01:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile


Thanks for you reply. I do have a stability issue on my line, if it counts as one - any sync made in the daytime doesn't hold overnight, even on the 2700HGV. I would have to do a sync at around 5pm (sunset) and it holds for months long. If the 2700HGV allowed me to set a target SNR of 7db I am pretty confident a daytime sync would hold overnight.

Sounds like an idea getting it from Amazon then returning it. Does the BIllion allow me to increment the target db by +1? I've only seen values such as +3 but a target of 9db would be a bit detrimental to my sync speed.


Personally i would stick to the 2700HGV, however if you do get the Billion then use these values (approx) to increase the downstream SNR...play around with these values, it will mostly be down to trial and error.

117 = +1db
134 = +2db
150 = +3db
167 = +4db
184 = +5db
200 = +6db
increase by 17 to increase by 1db

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Standard User lexden16
(newbie) Fri 11-Mar-11 18:38:21
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
I have just returned a DGND3300 as I was getting frequent ADSL2+ internet disconnects with no obvious signs of failure. With its dual band the Netgear DGN3300 did allow me to connect my Blackberry Bold 9700 to the Blackberry Infrastructure (BIS) via the 'G' band WLAN. The Billion 7800N is on my list of possible replacement routers. Can 2 WLANS be set 'N' and 'G' and does anyone have experience of Blackberry BIS connectivity with this particular router via a 'N' WLAN. Sadly, not all 'N' routers are fully backwards compatible - at least as far as Blackberry phones are concerned.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 19:04:40
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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I have just returned a DGND3300 as I was getting frequent ADSL2+ internet disconnects with no obvious signs of failure. With its dual band the Netgear DGN3300 did allow me to connect my Blackberry Bold 9700 to the Blackberry Infrastructure (BIS) via the 'G' band WLAN. The Billion 7800N is on my list of possible replacement routers. Can 2 WLANS be set 'N' and 'G' and does anyone have experience of Blackberry BIS connectivity with this particular router via a 'N' WLAN. Sadly, not all 'N' routers are fully backwards compatible - at least as far as Blackberry phones are concerned.


Both the Netgear DGND3300 and Billion 7800N use the same chipset Broadcom 6358...so if you were experiencing frequent dropouts on the Netgear then you will almost certainly experience the same on the Billion. Perhaps you should check your internal wiring just to make sure the fault doesn't lie on your side? If you're on a very long line then it might a good idea to try the BT 2700HGV (aka BT Business Hub) as these routers are well known for holding onto noisy lines. You can pick one up for about £10-£15 on ebay.

Most (if not all) wireless N routers are also B,G compatible. in the config page, you can specify which mode you want the router to operate in: eg b/g/n or g/n or n only.

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Standard User lexden16
(newbie) Fri 11-Mar-11 19:16:25
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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Thanks. I am only 0.9Km from my exchange and I am getting speeds as low as 0.8Mbps on an ADSL2+ service with a profile of 10000K. I am currently running a Netgear DGN1000 router on the master socket. I can connect my BB9700 to the WLAN but I cannot connect to the Blackberry Internet Service. This is a well-documented compatibility issue. Unfortunately, I cannot find an 'N' router compatibility list. I have moved from a stable 8128 Max profile to an unstable ADSL2+. After a frustrating fortnight, I might have to revert back to the status quo ante and dig out my old DG834G where everything connected flawlessly. Thanks for the response.
Standard User Banger
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 17-Apr-11 04:03:45
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
How are you getting on with your Billion 7800N. Have you tried IPv6 yet with the new firmware. I see we are now out of IPv4 addresses and some ISPs are implimenting their IPv6 stacks. Currently running a ST546 but trying to look ahead as my ISP Zen are actively looking at IPv6 now but hopefully dual stack so no rush.

Tim
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Standard User baby_frogmella
(committed) Sun 17-Apr-11 17:57:28
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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In reply to a post by Banger:
How are you getting on with your Billion 7800N. Have you tried IPv6 yet with the new firmware. I see we are now out of IPv4 addresses and some ISPs are implimenting their IPv6 stacks. Currently running a ST546 but trying to look ahead as my ISP Zen are actively looking at IPv6 now but hopefully dual stack so no rush.

The 7800N is still running solidly, just watching Arsenal v Liverpool on the Boxee box and the router hardly batters an eyelidsmile Running fw 1.06c dc this doesn't support ipv6 but Billion uk have told me that the next fw WILL support ipv6

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