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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 21-Jan-11 18:11:13
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Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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Got bored with my Netgear DGND3300 so decided to try the Billion 7800N as it gets raving reviews everywhere. Oh boy, what a brilliant router! It uses the same chipset as the DGND3300 (Broadcom 6358) so you are guaranteed a rock solid connection. However its wireless coverage is even better than the Netgear's. Easily the best router on the market for wireless coverage. Like the Netgear the SNR on the 7800N can be lowered to increase the sync speed (on 1.06a and above), however unlike the Netgear, the effect is permanent so even if you reboot the router your SNR stays at the new low value. Its also a cable/FTTC router so future proof. It really is a top top class router and worth every penny for all its features. Only problem is that it looks ugly frown

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 21-Jan-11 18:11:42)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 21-Jan-11 18:15:19
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to all those that have the Billion 7800N this is the procedure to alter the SNR:

go to http://192.168.1.254/snr.cgi
and enter one of the values below and save.

standard values are.
200 = +6dB
150 = +3dB
100 = +0dB
50 = -3dB
25 = -4.5db
1 = -5.5dB

The command does not accept negative numbers. However the command can be tricked into accepting negative numbers by entering high positive numbers.

65500 = -9dB
65480 = -9.5dB
65450 = -12dB

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 21-Jan-11 19:35:46
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Can the WAN connection be used to combine two broadband services - does the router support load balancing?



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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 21-Jan-11 19:46:40
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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Can the WAN connection be used to combine two broadband services - does the router support load balancing?


No, the router only supports 1 type of broadband service at any one time. I don't think the router allows load balancing but i might be wrong on this.

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Fri 21-Jan-11 22:45:07
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DrayTek .....the SENSEI of routers


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Looks a better offering to me!

Dr Dark
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 21-Jan-11 23:38:46
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Looks a better offering to me!

Dr Dark
No, Draytek are overpriced garbage.



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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Sat 22-Jan-11 07:36:42
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Looks a better offering to me!

Dr Dark


Errr you will find the Draytek 2820 uses an Infineon chipset (poor compare to a Broadcom chip) and it doesn't allow the user to tweak the SNR. Also draytek routers often have lots and lots of bugs in their firmware...granted ALL routers have bugs, but Draytek models seem to have too many. And finally there's me thinking that Billion routers were expensive...

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Standard User Tacitus
(experienced) Sat 22-Jan-11 07:47:22
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
to all those that have the Billion 7800N this is the procedure to alter the SNR:
...... [SNIP] ....... The command does not accept negative numbers. However the command can be tricked into accepting negative numbers by entering high positive numbers.
65500 = -9dB
65480 = -9.5dB
65450 = -12dB
So what would I enter if I wanted to reduce target SNR by 3dB or 6dB? EG from 15 to either 12 or 9dB. Or will the figures you quote, actually set the target SNR to 9/9.5/12dB? In my case I would aim to set the target SNR from its current 15dB to 12dB or 9dB.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Sat 22-Jan-11 09:32:36
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In reply to a post by Tacitus:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
to all those that have the Billion 7800N this is the procedure to alter the SNR:
...... [SNIP] ....... The command does not accept negative numbers. However the command can be tricked into accepting negative numbers by entering high positive numbers.
65500 = -9dB
65480 = -9.5dB
65450 = -12dB
So what would I enter if I wanted to reduce target SNR by 3dB or 6dB? EG from 15 to either 12 or 9dB. Or will the figures you quote, actually set the target SNR to 9/9.5/12dB? In my case I would aim to set the target SNR from its current 15dB to 12dB or 9dB.


try the value 50 to reduce SNR by 3db or value 1 to reduce SNR by 5.5db. So if your current SNR is 15db, entering 50 brings SNR to 12db and 1 to 9.5db. You can also put in intermediate numbers to see what effect this has....don't worry the router won't blow up! smile

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Standard User b4dger
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Jan-11 10:28:29
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
... Its also a cable/FTTC router so future proof.
Thanks for the interesting post - I'm a Broadcom (585v6) fan! Re. Future proof - is it 'IPv6 Ready' logo'd ?

Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Sat 22-Jan-11 10:36:48
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Might be of interest if router is Broadcom chipped, taken from Kitz forum.

Alastair

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Anonymous
(Unregistered)Sat 22-Jan-11 10:52:03
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Re: DrayTek .....the SENSEI of routers


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
@ BatBoy

@ baby_frogbmella

Thanks for the heads up, Ill need to into the specs for various routers far deeper.

I guess there are people who have actually used DrayTeks and found them to be satisfactory on their connection.

As for Infineon chipsets shouldn't they be OK on some 21CN exchanges with Infineon chipped DSLAMs or MSANs?

Dr Dark
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Sat 22-Jan-11 17:41:15
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As for Infineon chipsets shouldn't they be OK on some 21CN exchanges with Infineon chipped DSLAMs or MSANs?
Dr Dark


Thats what i also used to think...until i tried the talktalk supplied Huawei 532 router. This router has a Infineon chipset and talktalk also use Infineon gear at the exchange. The Huawei synced around 1.5 meg lower than the Netgear DGND3300. The huawei went straight to the bin, couldn't even be bothered to flog it on ebay. Its generally accepted that Broadcom based routers provide the best stability and speeds, though some other chipsets (eg in BT 2700HGV router) are also very good.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Sat 22-Jan-11 17:42:56)

Standard User Tacitus
(experienced) Sat 22-Jan-11 17:54:58
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
try the value 50 to reduce SNR by 3db or value 1 to reduce SNR by 5.5db. So if your current SNR is 15db, entering 50 brings SNR to 12db and 1 to 9.5db. You can also put in intermediate numbers to see what effect this has....don't worry the router won't blow up! smile
Didn't imagine the router would blow up, I was just trying to get a feel for the numbers without too much messing around. smile Thanks for the info.

Edited by Tacitus (Sat 22-Jan-11 17:55:32)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Sat 22-Jan-11 17:57:23
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


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In reply to a post by b4dger:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
... Its also a cable/FTTC router so future proof.
Thanks for the interesting post - I'm a Broadcom (585v6) fan! Re. Future proof - is it 'IPv6 Ready' logo'd ?


Couldn't find any 'ipv6' logo on the router...so perhaps its not so future proof after all frown

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Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Sat 22-Jan-11 18:07:54
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Suggests it does do ipv6 http://alatest.com.au/reviews/firewalls-broadband-ro...



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Standard User e102gamma
(committed) Sat 22-Jan-11 23:27:45
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It doesn't yet. The hardware does apparently and Billion reps have said there will be an updated firmware to support it in Q1 of this year but I'll believe it when I see it. smile

Edited by e102gamma (Sat 22-Jan-11 23:32:23)

Standard User jchamier
(knowledge is power) Sun 23-Jan-11 23:12:44
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No, Draytek are overpriced garbage.


For ADSL yes. But the cable/ethernet versions are very useful for VPN, something the BIllion doesn't do either.

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Standard User bap1ow
(experienced) Mon 24-Jan-11 08:32:41
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Re: Billion 7800N is the new "Thomson ST586v6"...LEGENDARY


[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Got bored with my Netgear DGND3300 so decided to try the Billion 7800N as it gets raving reviews everywhere. Oh boy, what a brilliant router! It uses the same chipset as the DGND3300 (Broadcom 6358) so you are guaranteed a rock solid connection. However its wireless coverage is even better than the Netgear's. Easily the best router on the market for wireless coverage. Like the Netgear the SNR on the 7800N can be lowered to increase the sync speed (on 1.06a and above), however unlike the Netgear, the effect is permanent so even if you reboot the router your SNR stays at the new low value. Its also a cable/FTTC router so future proof. It really is a top top class router and worth every penny for all its features. Only problem is that it looks ugly frown


Read all of the reviews on this Bipec, thought I would treat myself and upgrade. Yes nice router lots of features, unfortunately I had to return mine it kept re-syncing every two days, wireless no better than my other router.
Have now gone back to my trusty BT Business hub has never let me down as yet.
My bad luck perhaps.

Bap
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Mon 24-Jan-11 11:04:58
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Read all of the reviews on this Bipec, thought I would treat myself and upgrade. Yes nice router lots of features, unfortunately I had to return mine it kept re-syncing every two days, wireless no better than my other router.
Have now gone back to my trusty BT Business hub has never let me down as yet.
My bad luck perhaps.


Yes, the 2wire 2700HGV (aka BT Business Hub) is probably the best router to use on very long lines as it holds onto a connection very well, though broadcom based routers are also very good.

I believe a beta firmware has just been released for the 7800N which enables ipv6...anyone managed to get hold of this?

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Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
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Standard User Matchstick
(member) Mon 24-Jan-11 11:48:41
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The only people I know of who've got the IPv6 firmware are ISPs but Billion support did say (when I asked them about this in Nov) that it would be generally available sometime early this year.

Pity Billion have no plans to release the lower spec 7800NL to the general public in this country, which has IPv6 support out of the box.

http://au.billion.com/product/wireless/bipac7800nl.php

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Edited by Matchstick (Mon 24-Jan-11 11:51:51)

Standard User Michael_Chare
(member) Wed 26-Jan-11 20:28:43
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Only problem is that it looks ugly frown


It also does not appear to support VPNs frown

Michael Chare
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Wed 26-Jan-11 20:35:43
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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Only problem is that it looks ugly frown


It also does not appear to support VPNs frown
It supports VPN passthru



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Standard User Michael_Chare
(member) Thu 27-Jan-11 19:56:08
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It supports VPN passthru

OK, but I would quite like a private VPN. so I need a VPN server.

Michael Chare
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Fri 28-Jan-11 10:23:27
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In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:
In reply to a post by BatBoy:
It supports VPN passthru

OK, but I would quite like a private VPN. so I need a VPN server.
Are you saying the Thomson ST586v6 gives you that?



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Standard User Michael_Chare
(member) Fri 28-Jan-11 20:01:44
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
Are you saying the Thomson ST586v6 gives you that?

No, but as the 7800N is expensive it is the kind of feature that it might include, though I don't know how easy it is to access VPNs from public Wifi networks or mobile phones networks.

Michael Chare
Standard User Tacitus
(experienced) Sat 29-Jan-11 10:34:37
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No, but as the 7800N is expensive it is the kind of feature that it might include, though I don't know how easy it is to access VPNs from public Wifi networks or mobile phones networks.
I'm surprised that at that price is doesn't act as a VPN terminator for even a limited number of connections. Accessing a home setup via VPN and a public WiFi is generally straighforward using a PSK, although if you set it up using certificates it's a bit more complicated. The connection does depend on the quality of the WiFi - many of them are abysmally slow.
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(Unregistered)Tue 15-Feb-11 00:33:14
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1.06 firmware release adds IPV6

http://au.billion.com/product/wireless/fd_wireless/b...
Standard User Lazza
(fountain of knowledge) Tue 15-Feb-11 13:25:38
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[re: b4dger] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by b4dger:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
... Its also a cable/FTTC router so future proof.
Thanks for the interesting post - I'm a Broadcom (585v6) fan! Re. Future proof - is it 'IPv6 Ready' logo'd ?


Billion are about to launch a new version of the 7800N in the "7800NL" that is IPv6 ready though I guess the new firmware should offer most if not all of the new features??

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?...

I've been using the Billion El Cheapo 5200 for a couple of years and have to say it's pretty stable on my poor line and I really like their stuff. The flaky wireless I have on my current Buffalo access point is driving me nuts so I doubt it will be long before I also get the 7800N myself.
Standard User Aaron_01
(member) Thu 10-Mar-11 00:49:39
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Is there anyone that has started using a Billion 7800N having previously used a BT 2700HGV? Did it manage a sync as good as the 2700HGV did?

I'm interested in getting this router as I find the web interface on the 2700HGV to be a bit of a pain to manage, but it maintains excellent sync compared to other routers I've tried (in excess of an extra 1 mbit).

IDNet Home Max 4.0Mbps
BT 2700HGV v6

Edited by Aaron_01 (Thu 10-Mar-11 00:50:35)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 10:18:48
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In reply to a post by Aaron_01:
Is there anyone that has started using a Billion 7800N having previously used a BT 2700HGV? Did it manage a sync as good as the 2700HGV did?

I'm interested in getting this router as I find the web interface on the 2700HGV to be a bit of a pain to manage, but it maintains excellent sync compared to other routers I've tried (in excess of an extra 1 mbit).


It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile

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Standard User Aaron_01
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 15:49:41
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile


Thanks for you reply. I do have a stability issue on my line, if it counts as one - any sync made in the daytime doesn't hold overnight, even on the 2700HGV. I would have to do a sync at around 5pm (sunset) and it holds for months long. If the 2700HGV allowed me to set a target SNR of 7db I am pretty confident a daytime sync would hold overnight.

Sounds like an idea getting it from Amazon then returning it. Does the BIllion allow me to increment the target db by +1? I've only seen values such as +3 but a target of 9db would be a bit detrimental to my sync speed.

IDNet Home Max 4.0Mbps
BT 2700HGV v6

Edited by Aaron_01 (Fri 11-Mar-11 15:50:37)

Standard User undecidedadrian
(learned) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:39:31
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is it the same firmware that is from the UK site?

http://www.billion.uk.com/esupport/index.php?_m=down...

although the release notes are fairly technical and it didn't say IPv6 in them.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:47:42
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is it the same firmware that is from the UK site?

http://www.billion.uk.com/esupport/index.php?_m=down...

although the release notes are fairly technical and it didn't say IPv6 in them.


No, its only Billion Australia website which has the latest firmware 1.06b-6 which enables ipv6 (Billion UK only has 1.06b)
http://au.billion.com/product/wireless/fd_wireless/b...

I personally wouldn't try the australian firmware on my 7800N, better to wait for the UK website to release 1.06b-6 or 1.07 Shouldn't be too long now smile

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 17:56:17
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In reply to a post by Aaron_01:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
It's generally accepted that the 2700HGV is THE best router for very long/flakey lines. However if you don't have any line stability issues, then there's a good chance the Billion 7800N will give you a higher sync after you have lowered the downstream SNR margin (see post #2). I suggest you order the Billion from Amazon, have a good play with it for a week or two, if you're not satisfied just return it back to Amazon and you'll get your cash back smile


Thanks for you reply. I do have a stability issue on my line, if it counts as one - any sync made in the daytime doesn't hold overnight, even on the 2700HGV. I would have to do a sync at around 5pm (sunset) and it holds for months long. If the 2700HGV allowed me to set a target SNR of 7db I am pretty confident a daytime sync would hold overnight.

Sounds like an idea getting it from Amazon then returning it. Does the BIllion allow me to increment the target db by +1? I've only seen values such as +3 but a target of 9db would be a bit detrimental to my sync speed.


Personally i would stick to the 2700HGV, however if you do get the Billion then use these values (approx) to increase the downstream SNR...play around with these values, it will mostly be down to trial and error.

117 = +1db
134 = +2db
150 = +3db
167 = +4db
184 = +5db
200 = +6db
increase by 17 to increase by 1db

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Standard User lexden16
(newbie) Fri 11-Mar-11 18:38:21
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I have just returned a DGND3300 as I was getting frequent ADSL2+ internet disconnects with no obvious signs of failure. With its dual band the Netgear DGN3300 did allow me to connect my Blackberry Bold 9700 to the Blackberry Infrastructure (BIS) via the 'G' band WLAN. The Billion 7800N is on my list of possible replacement routers. Can 2 WLANS be set 'N' and 'G' and does anyone have experience of Blackberry BIS connectivity with this particular router via a 'N' WLAN. Sadly, not all 'N' routers are fully backwards compatible - at least as far as Blackberry phones are concerned.
Standard User baby_frogmella
(member) Fri 11-Mar-11 19:04:40
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In reply to a post by lexden16:
I have just returned a DGND3300 as I was getting frequent ADSL2+ internet disconnects with no obvious signs of failure. With its dual band the Netgear DGN3300 did allow me to connect my Blackberry Bold 9700 to the Blackberry Infrastructure (BIS) via the 'G' band WLAN. The Billion 7800N is on my list of possible replacement routers. Can 2 WLANS be set 'N' and 'G' and does anyone have experience of Blackberry BIS connectivity with this particular router via a 'N' WLAN. Sadly, not all 'N' routers are fully backwards compatible - at least as far as Blackberry phones are concerned.


Both the Netgear DGND3300 and Billion 7800N use the same chipset Broadcom 6358...so if you were experiencing frequent dropouts on the Netgear then you will almost certainly experience the same on the Billion. Perhaps you should check your internal wiring just to make sure the fault doesn't lie on your side? If you're on a very long line then it might a good idea to try the BT 2700HGV (aka BT Business Hub) as these routers are well known for holding onto noisy lines. You can pick one up for about £10-£15 on ebay.

Most (if not all) wireless N routers are also B,G compatible. in the config page, you can specify which mode you want the router to operate in: eg b/g/n or g/n or n only.

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17515/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
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Thanks. I am only 0.9Km from my exchange and I am getting speeds as low as 0.8Mbps on an ADSL2+ service with a profile of 10000K. I am currently running a Netgear DGN1000 router on the master socket. I can connect my BB9700 to the WLAN but I cannot connect to the Blackberry Internet Service. This is a well-documented compatibility issue. Unfortunately, I cannot find an 'N' router compatibility list. I have moved from a stable 8128 Max profile to an unstable ADSL2+. After a frustrating fortnight, I might have to revert back to the status quo ante and dig out my old DG834G where everything connected flawlessly. Thanks for the response.
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How are you getting on with your Billion 7800N. Have you tried IPv6 yet with the new firmware. I see we are now out of IPv4 addresses and some ISPs are implimenting their IPv6 stacks. Currently running a ST546 but trying to look ahead as my ISP Zen are actively looking at IPv6 now but hopefully dual stack so no rush.

Tim
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Standard User baby_frogmella
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In reply to a post by Banger:
How are you getting on with your Billion 7800N. Have you tried IPv6 yet with the new firmware. I see we are now out of IPv4 addresses and some ISPs are implimenting their IPv6 stacks. Currently running a ST546 but trying to look ahead as my ISP Zen are actively looking at IPv6 now but hopefully dual stack so no rush.

The 7800N is still running solidly, just watching Arsenal v Liverpool on the Boxee box and the router hardly batters an eyelidsmile Running fw 1.06c dc this doesn't support ipv6 but Billion uk have told me that the next fw WILL support ipv6

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N
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(fountain of knowledge) Sun 17-Apr-11 18:55:25
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Although maybe a little OT, do you know of any Billions that have the same chipset and control but without the price tag?

I.e just a standard ADSL2+ router with no backup WAN options.

Matt

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Standard User baby_frogmella
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[re: uno] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by uno:
Although maybe a little OT, do you know of any Billions that have the same chipset and control but without the price tag?

I.e just a standard ADSL2+ router with no backup WAN options.

Matt


The Billion 7700N is a budget version of the 7800N (should cost around £50-£60) and should be released soon in the UK. It uses the same chipset Broadcom 6358 but comes without EWAN and without gigabit ports (just has 4 x 100mbps LAN ports)
http://www.billion.uk.com/product/wireless/7700n.htm

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N
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(fountain of knowledge) Sun 17-Apr-11 19:29:49
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Cheers for the tip. I'll keep my eye out.

The cheaper one might sit a little better with users that need something to tweak but don't want to spend too much.

Matt

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Standard User Banger
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Cheers for the info Mr Frogmella.

Tim
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Looks like it could be available here next month and probably elsewhere too tongue smile

Alastair

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Thanks for that link - it sounds like it might be a useful router smile

It's also nice to see a manufacturer that actually names the chipset rather than people having to rely on other people's investigations. I guess Netgear don't name the chipset as they use a different one every other week! wink

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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
Just to add a further reply.

Got this delivered today and yes, very ugly which is a shame but seems to work very well. More testing to be done but the 2820n is taking a back seat now.

Matt

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Standard User RSTSGeek
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[re: uno] [link to this post]
 
I got mine about a month ago. No major complaints so far.

Mine is hidden under the desk, out of normal sight, so it's
looks are no issue at all.

One minor complaint is, that it does not report errors for ADSL2+,
but I can live with that, for the time being.

The most useful feature, for me, has been the ability of the
SNR Margin tweaking to survive a reboot. Using that facility,
I have pushed my profile up from 6500 to over 7000, with no
attendant problems.

- Alex
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I think it does report errors.. but can only find them via SNMP.

Have created some nice graphs as I had with the Vigor, just need to create a template for them.

Matt

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Standard User baby_frogmella
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In reply to a post by RSTSGeek:
The most useful feature, for me, has been the ability of the
SNR Margin tweaking to survive a reboot. Using that facility,
I have pushed my profile up from 6500 to over 7000, with no
attendant problems.

- Alex


Even better, if you save your configuration settings under Advanced>Configuration>System>Backup/Restore>Backup it even saves your tweaked SNR margin in the backup file! So no need to faff around with the SNR values once you upgrade your firmware....just reload that backup file and bobs yer uncle smile

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 19-Apr-11 20:09:49)

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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Even better, if you save your configuration settings under Advanced>Configuration>System>Backup/Restore>Backup it even saves your tweaked SNR margin in the backup file! So no need to faff around with the SNR values once you upgrade your firmware....just reload that backup file and bobs yer uncle smile
Isn't it saved in Flash memory under "Save Config", or using the option to re-start with current settings rather than factory default ones after an upgrade?

(I use my 7800N with FTTC so don't know how the ADSL side operates)

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Standard User baby_frogmella
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[re: billford] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by billford:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Even better, if you save your configuration settings under Advanced>Configuration>System>Backup/Restore>Backup it even saves your tweaked SNR margin in the backup file! So no need to faff around with the SNR values once you upgrade your firmware....just reload that backup file and bobs yer uncle smile
Isn't it saved in Flash memory under "Save Config", or using the option to re-start with current settings rather than factory default ones after an upgrade?

(I use my 7800N with FTTC so don't know how the ADSL side operates)


Yes the tweaked SNR margin is saved to the flash memory and after a reboot it retains these settings provided you tick "current settings" when rebooting. However when upgrading the firmware, Billion strongly recommend you select "factory default settings" to avoid any potential problems. This is when its really useful to have a backup config file, as it saves you manually typing in every setting....and believe me there's about a trillion settings on the 7800N smile

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N
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[re: baby_frogmella] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Billion strongly recommend you select "factory default settings" to avoid any potential problems.
I hadn't spotted that, thanks. Maybe I got lucky when I put the beta firmware on crazy
and believe me there's about a trillion settings on the 7800N smile
Don't I know it- and there's a few more on the beta IPv6 version grin

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I had not taken a backup of the firmware recently. Thanks for the reminder.

As you mentioned earlier, it will certainly save me having to remember all my
customised settings, if and when I upgrade the firmware in future.

- Alex
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I've taken a backup of mine too- no harm in belt and braces tongue

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Managed to get the latest firmware from Billion which enables ipv6. Enjoy smile

https://rapidshare.com/files/458318834/UKBillion7800...

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Managed to get the latest firmware from Billion which enables ipv6. Enjoy smile

https://rapidshare.com/files/458318834/UKBillion7800...
That's getting it the hard way- I just emailed them and asked for it smile

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/dslrouter/t/3990875...

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I did that, they sent me the one with SNMP disabled frown

Had to get another one with it enabled so my graphs would work again.

Matt

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My non-wireless 7800 didn't like it, when I tried to accidentally upgrade with
previous 7800N firmware, so I will probably wait for their standard release,
as and when it happens. Also, I can't really afford my 7800 to be "throwing a
wobbly", as I work from home most of the time and need a reliable connection.

Even so, I will still continue to monitor this thread for news from those of you
confident enough to be "guinea pigs". My thanks go out to you !

- Alex
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Yeah i was also emailed this firmware but thought it would be quicker/easier for everyone to download it from rapidshare rather than inundating Billion with millions of requests for this firmware. Really don't know why Billion UK don't post this beta firmware on their website with a simple disclaimer "as this is in beta stage use this at your own risk blah blah blah"frown

TalkTalk Plus LLU ADSL2+ connected @ 17612/1019 kbps
Attenuation 27db down / 9db up
Noise Margin 3.3 db down / 12db up
Powered by Billion BiPAC 7800N
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Just wanted to make sure that we weren't talking at cross purposes here.

Are these the Errs and Drops, as reported on the
Advanced - Status - WAN Statistics page ?
as in :-
Interface Protocol VPI/VCI Bytes Pkts Errs Drops
ppp_0_0_38_1 PPPoA 0/38 820931126 574406 0 0


- Alex
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Nope.. only via SNMP from what I could find:

http://scrn.in/m/upshot_8LnGBdhr.png

Edit: That is the line pushed down to 1db, which is holding fine but has a few errors. The scale appears wrong though but will fix later. smile

Re-edit: Can get full stats via telnet too.

> adsl info --stats
adsl: ADSL driver and PHY status
Status: Showtime
Retrain Reason: 8000
Max:    Upstream rate = 1172 Kbps, Downstream rate = 25924 Kbps
Path:   0, Upstream rate = 1019 Kbps, Downstream rate = 23173 Kbps

Link Power State:       L0
Mode:                   ADSL2+ 
TPS-TC:                 ATM Mode
Trellis:                U:ON /D:ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):        1.2             12.1
Attn(dB):        11.5            6.1
Pwr(dBm):        0.0             11.8
                        ADSL2 framing
MSGc:           55              12
B:              254             31
M:              1               1
T:              3               4
R:              0               0
S:              0.3516          0.9961
L:              5801            257
D:              1               1
                        Counters
SF:             42205           37874
SFErr:          17              0
RS:             0               0
RSCorr:         0               0
RSUnCorr:       0               0

HEC:            5               0
OCD:            0               0
LCD:            0               0
Total Cells:    37116908                1616333
Data Cells:     59319           35348
Drop Cells:     0
Bit Errors:     0               0

ES:             17              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
AS:             680

INP:            0.00            0.00
PER:            16.08           17.92
delay:          0.08            0.24
OR:             30.33           8.03

Bitswap:        18              10

Total time = 12 min 4 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            17              0
ES:             17              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 4 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            17              0
ES:             17              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Previous 15 minutes time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Latest 1 day time = 12 min 4 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            17              0
ES:             17              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            30              30
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Previous 1 day time = 0 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            0               0
ES:             0               0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0
Since Link time = 11 min 19 sec
FEC:            0               0
CRC:            17              0
ES:             17              0
SES:            0               0
UAS:            0               0
LOS:            0               0
LOF:            0               0


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Edited by uno (Wed 20-Apr-11 18:51:55)

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Here's another non-RS link, which may involve less faffing around, with SNMP support smile

http://kb.uno.net.uk/getattachment.php?data=MzJ8VUtC...

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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Really don't know why Billion UK don't post this beta firmware on their website with a simple disclaimer "as this is in beta stage use this at your own risk blah blah blah"frown
It would be handy, but quite a few companies don't like putting beta code on a public website... and I can understand their point of view.

Anybody can download it, and some people don't know as much about computers as they think they do tongue

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In reply to a post by uno:
I did that, they sent me the one with SNMP disabled frown
You mean permanently disabled?

It's checked as disabled on mine, but it looks as though I can enable it if I want to (the radio button works). I don't use it so I haven't tried it.

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Yes frown

I upgraded from stock to the one on their support site (which is the same version), but then SNMP stopped working and the menu option vanished.

Called them and asked why and was told that the SNMP version isn't given out as standard.

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