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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Sun 13-Feb-11 16:15:43
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I'm with Plusnet on a value package and I'm generally very satisfied with them.
Following the upgrade of our exchange to 21CN I asked to be transferred and so far so good.
On 20CN I got a d/s attenuation of around 44 dB and a download speed of 4/4.5 Mb/s.
Following my upgrade the attenuation has fallen (yes fallen) to 41 dB and I am now getting a download of around 6+ Mb/s.
So smiles all round, but although browsing on my desktop connected via internet stays connected for weeks, wireless browsing on my netbook requires at least daily power cycling of my router which is a Netgear DGN1000 following disconnects.
Can anyone recommend a reasonable cost modem router with a good wireless coverage that would suit my medium to long line. My location is high on the side of the Lower Pennines and the S/N drops by about 5 dB at night.
Standard User E7er
(knowledge is power) Mon 14-Feb-11 19:53:36
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So smiles all round, but although browsing on my desktop connected via internet stays connected for weeks, wireless browsing on my netbook requires at least daily power cycling of my router which is a Netgear DGN1000 following disconnects.
Can anyone recommend a reasonable cost modem router with a good wireless coverage that would suit my medium to long line. My location is high on the side of the Lower Pennines and the S/N drops by about 5 dB at night.
Hi, it seems many users of the Netgear DGN1000 router do have problems with wireless stability.

Have you tried using only 802.11g

with the channels 1, 5, 9, 13

802.11g hardware is fully backwards compatible with 802.11b hardware. Details of making b and g work well together occupied much of the lingering technical process. In an 802.11g network, however, the presence of a legacy 802.11b participant will significantly reduce the speed of the overall 802.11g network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.11g

From experience I can recommend the 2Wire 2700HGV wireless router.

http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/dslrouter/t/3964371...

Orange (SMPF) LLU 20 Meg. Sync 11864 Kbps Downstream, 1157 Kbps Upstream.
3Com 3CRWDR101A-75 ADSL2/2+ router
Netgear DGN1000 ADSL2+ wireless N 150 Router supplied by Orange
BT Business Hub 2Wire 2700HGV v2 ADSL2+ Dual SSID wireless Router
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 15-Feb-11 10:10:15
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As E7er suggests - a 2wire2700HGV it can easily cope wit the overnight drop and works well on long lines. Get a new unopened one from ebay for £10 and visit http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm on how to do it.





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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Tue 15-Feb-11 17:50:44
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Thank-you for your suggestions, I agree that a 2 wire sounds just the thing.
Unfortunately I am banned from ebay by my better half following a calamitous purchase some time ago.
I shall have to look around computer fairs and the like and see if I can spot one.
I emailed Pace who took over 2 wire to see if I could purchase a "kosher" one but I don't expect to receive a positive reply. The Netgear doesn't seem to have a g only setting, only g & b, or up to 65 or up to 150 Mb/s.
Regards,
towdgeezer
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 15-Feb-11 21:35:25
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It is unlikely that Pace or 2wire will say yes. The RRP is around £95 so even if they agreed it would be expensive.

Have a look around but you may not be too successful or you will pay way over the odds. Two friends have just bought 2700HGCs and paid £10 delivered off ebay - so maybe you need to find a way.





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Standard User e102gamma
(committed) Tue 15-Feb-11 21:39:25
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Is this the right one?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/BT-Business-Hub/dp/B001F4XS68/
Standard User MHC
(legend) Tue 15-Feb-11 22:00:36
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and 5x the price of a new item on ebay!





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Standard User e102gamma
(committed) Tue 15-Feb-11 22:04:30
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That's not a lot of help to him though is it. tongue
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Tue 15-Feb-11 22:07:21
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He could buy one off ebay using buy-it-now for about 12 quid.



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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Tue 15-Feb-11 22:17:19
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In reply to a post by towdgeezer:
browsing on my desktop connected via internet stays connected for weeks, wireless browsing on my netbook requires at least daily power cycling of my router which is a Netgear DGN1000 following disconnects.
That's not router discons, because your desktop stays connected, but just wireless flakiness.

You just need to disconnect and reconnect the netbook to the wireless, rather than rebooting router every time

Also try other wireless channels. Get http://www.metageek.net/products/inssider/ to see what neighbours are on.

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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Tue 15-Feb-11 22:29:34
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There's usually some to be found on ebay, that's where I got a couple of Netgear DG834GTs as well as the 2700HGV.

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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Wed 16-Feb-11 10:53:37
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The situation with wireless disconnects is as follows.
If I connect via my ethernet connected desktop PC then the connection stops up indefinitely.
When I connect via my wireless connected netbook the connection fails at least once a day.
When it fails my WAP disappears from the list of possible WAPS and there is no way I can see of re-connecting except by power-cycling my router. I've got my channel set to a channel well away from my neighbours WAPs according to insidder.
I'm new to all this Wi-Fi gubbins 'so if there's some other way of reconnecting please let me know.
Regards,
towdgeezer.
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 16-Feb-11 11:10:36
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There should be a way in the router GUI to disable then enable the wireless side. That may work quicker and better than re-booting it.

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Wed 16-Feb-11 13:43:52
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Yes, which is the sorta thing I was getting at. There should be no need to reboot the router when only a device loses wireless connection. Another way might be a physical switch on the netbook, as on my laptop, to disable & then enable the wireless.

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Wed 16-Feb-11 17:17:40
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I don't think it is the norebook end though, because of "When it fails my WAP disappears from the list of possible WAPS "

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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Wed 16-Feb-11 17:34:32
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I take that to mean his router's SSID no longer appears in the list of SSIDs under "Connect to a Network" on his netbook.

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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Thu 17-Feb-11 11:09:32
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Perhaps i'm not making myself clear.
If I leave the netbook switched off then my connection stops up ad infinitum from mydesktop. When I'm using the laptop and lose the connection, my router ssid disappears from the list and if I try to access the net using the desktop then that connection has failed as well although the router LED's indicate a normal connection. The only way to get my connection back is to power cycle the router or reboot it from the router using my desktop browser.
Hope this helps.
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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Thu 17-Feb-11 13:55:28
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Ah, I see! Up to now you said the desktop remains connected indefinitely.

When this happens, can you access to router itself (not the Net) from the desktop, via its web interface, and post its Status and Connected LAN Devices?

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 17-Feb-11 14:30:30
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Ah, I see! Up to now you said the desktop remains connected indefinitely.

When this happens, can you access to router itself (not the Net) from the desktop, via its web interface, and post its Status and Connected LAN Devices?


How can he? The connection from desktop has failed too.

From the OPs latest comment, it seems to be that the notebook is causing the problem and corrupting the router somehow resulting in no connections being available to any device.





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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Thu 17-Feb-11 14:43:28
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How can he? The connection from desktop has failed too.
Has it? Didn't he also say
In reply to a post by towdgeezer:
or reboot it from the router using my desktop browser.
?

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Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 17-Feb-11 14:55:37
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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by MHC:
How can he? The connection from desktop has failed too.
Has it? Didn't he also say
In reply to a post by towdgeezer:
or reboot it from the router using my desktop browser.
?



In his 11:09 post:
if I try to access the net using the desktop then that connection has failed as well although the router LED's indicate a normal connection.


But then there is a possible contradiction about rebooting -after reading several times it is still not 100% clear. It may be that the desktop can see the router but the router has lost connection to the outside world ...

Rebooting by a power cycle is probably easiest and quickest and ensures everything is reset whereas a soft reboot may leave some erroneous parameter





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Standard User XRaySpeX
(knowledge is power) Thu 17-Feb-11 15:04:16
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if I try to access the net using the desktop then that connection has failed as well
Duh!

I specifically said to access the router, not the Net, from the desktop. He did imply this was possible.

EDIT: The idea of asking for its Status was to check that router has really lost connection to the outside world.

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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Fri 18-Feb-11 11:09:11
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I've asked my ISP to send me one of their supplied routers which I believe is a Thomson (Technicolor) 585v8.
According to the Plusnet forum site there are issues with this router as well at the moment for some people, but I'll keep you all posted.
The netbook a Samsung NC10 was a wireless washout from the start. The Atheros card wouldn't maintain contact for more than a few minutes at a time. I replaced the card with an Intel 5100 which gives me no more than one drop a day.
I've tried the Windows and Intel drivers but they both behave about the same. The Intel driver gives me a bit more information.
Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Thu 24-Feb-11 13:33:57
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I received my Plusnet supplied Thomson 585v8 router and I appear to have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.
I've been monitoring stats with RouterStats Lite and the noise margin jumped from 12 dB to 15 dB the night before last at about 3 am. I reset the router yesterday morning and it went down to 9dB.
Last night the margin jumped from 9 dB to 18dB in one large jump at around 1.30 am. It now won't reset below 15.5 dB.
My dowmload speed has dropped to 4000 kbps which is worse than I was getting on 20CN.
One factor may be the fact that my location is on the top of a hill at more than 900 feet asl.
The drop wire from the pole is about 100 feet long and the area has very high radio frequency reception. My router is connected via a premium filter to the master socket in the hall and the one corded phone is plugged into the filter.
So far the connection has not dropped (unlike the Netgear DGN1000) but my download speed has dropped to 4000kbps which is less than I was getting with 20CN.
One thing I have been contemplating is to put the router on a timeswitch and shut it down between say 10 pm and 8 am. I'm not sure if an overnight shutdown will cause as much bother as leaving it on overnight to the exchange equipment.
What do forum members think ?
towdgeezer
Standard User BatBoy
(legend) Thu 24-Feb-11 14:28:39
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Answered here http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/dslrouter/t/3967644...



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Standard User MHC
(legend) Thu 24-Feb-11 15:51:30
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2700HGV version 5 or 6





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Standard User towdgeezer
(newbie) Sun 27-Feb-11 14:29:07
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As I posted earlier I should like a 2-wire and I'm sure it would do the trick but as I mentioned earlier in the thread a purchase off ebay is just not going to happen.
Anyway it looks as though the Thomson has come up trumps at last.
I must have been too impatient because eventually the Speedtouch 585v8 has sorted itself out.
The noise margin suddenly fell from 18 dB to 6dB during the day and it dips to 3.5 dB at night and seems to be stable with no drops.
My download speed has risen to above 5000kbps and I'm happy with that. It's about a 25% improvement on my 20CN speeds. With my line length and altitude problem I don't think I shall better that by much.
towdgeezer
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